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      08-08-2019, 08:12 PM   #1013
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The Supra isnít overweight IMO. C&Dís example came in at 3372.

Youíre not getting much better than that for a twin turbo 6 cylinder car. Its chassis stiffness makes up for it.

My only true gripe is it having the ZF8(although great) instead of a standard DCT or having a manual option.
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Saw a black Supra on the road this week. Looked like an insect like Z4 Coupe. Pretty fugly.
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You're not getting much better than that for a twin turbo 6 cylinder car. Its chassis stiffness makes up for it.
Comically far from a fair comparison, but a GT2 RS Weissach is supposed to be around 3,250 pounds. Just saying it can be done.
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Not to mention, the fully loaded a90 is only ~40lbs heavier than a 6mt 370z (according to C&D atleast) while also being 5 inches longer and an inch wider than the Z.
The wheelbase of the 370z is still a few inches longer than the Supra/Z4 twins. I'd imagine it drives like the bigger car. My 135i is the same way compared to my old Cayman. They're about the same length, but the 135i drives like a larger car, due to the longer wheelbase.
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The Supra isn’t overweight IMO. C&D’s example came in at 3372.

You’re not getting much better than that for a twin turbo 6 cylinder car. Its chassis stiffness makes up for it.

My only true gripe is it having the ZF8(although great) instead of a standard DCT or having a manual option.
Not to get too pedantic, but it's not a twin turbo. It's a twin scroll, which is usually lighter.

A 991.2 Carrera with a turbo flat-6 and PDK had a listed weight of 3200 lb'ish, but I do agree that everything has gotten heavier. As I mentioned earlier, I used to complain that my 135i was too heavy, and it's a four seater that's 3350'ish.

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The wheelbase of the 370z is still a few inches longer than the Supra/Z4 twins. I'd imagine it drives like the bigger car. My 135i is the same way compared to my old Cayman. They're about the same length, but the 135i drives like a larger car, due to the longer wheelbase.
I mean yeah but I cannot for the life of me think of how that is relevant to curb weight.
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I mean yeah but I cannot for the life of me think of how that is relevant to curb weight.
I just mean that, because of the long wheel base, I don't think of the 370Z to be in the same size category as something like a Cayman or new Z4, in terms of drivability. Same with my 135i, despite it being nearly the same length as the Z4.
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I just mean that, because of the long wheel base, I don't think of the 370Z to be in the same size category as something like a Cayman or new Z4, in terms of drivability. Same with my 135i, despite it being nearly the same length as the Z4.
I bring up the Z because it has always been the Supra's direct competitor and previously compared to the Cayman when looking at more economical alternatives
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The Supra isnít overweight IMO. C&Dís example came in at 3372.
Agreed. ~3,400 lbs for a 2 seater is rubenesque, but is by no means fat. Here's my "sliding scale" of car fatness for 2 seaters based on curb weight.

~4,000 lbs or above: Morbidly obese.
~3,600 lbs: FAT. But if you're The Mountain I certainly wouldn't call you that to your face.
~3,400 lbs: Rubenesque. Curves in all the right places. Child rearing hips.
~3,200 lbs: Athletic. Fit. Played QB in high school.
~3,000 lbs: Metrosexual Asian guy.
~2,800 lbs: Olympic swimmer skinny.
~2,400 lbs: Starving African child.

Anything significantly above said weight scale, might as well buy an SUV (most SUVs are LIGHTER than that). Anything below that scale? It's either called a unicorn, or "because race car."

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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True but those aren't nearly as terrible. Honestly I didn't even know until you mentioned it, it's not like they're fire engine red and just screaming at you.

I'd probably look at the Z4m40i or whatever if it was 20k less, it's a nice looking car.
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Comically far from a fair comparison, but a GT2 RS Weissach is supposed to be around 3,250 pounds. Just saying it can be done.
Well yeah, cost no object makes things different. lol

The 720S being under 3,200lbs is ridiculous.
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      08-09-2019, 04:06 PM   #1024
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I just mean that, because of the long wheel base, I don't think of the 370Z to be in the same size category as something like a Cayman or new Z4, in terms of drivability. Same with my 135i, despite it being nearly the same length as the Z4.
What long wheelbase are you talking about?

The new Zupra has a shorter wheelbase than the Twins.
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What long wheelbase are you talking about?

The new Zupra has a shorter wheelbase than the Twins.
I was talking about the longer wheelbase of the 370Z (and my 135i.)
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Already see a handful listed on Autotrader with discounts, $3k-$4k off. Why did anyone pay ADM on these things or msrp for that matter?

Now Tada has said new variants will come out every year.
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What long wheelbase are you talking about?

The new Zupra has a shorter wheelbase than the Twins.
This isn't really directed at you but the 'shorter wheelbase than the twins' was such a terrible way to describe the size of the car. So many people thought that meant the car was smaller than the twins when in reality the MKV is larger overall. The twin's wheelbase is even longer than the MK4's wheelbase so I don't know why that is important to mention
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Not to get too pedantic, but it's not a twin turbo. It's a twin scroll, which is usually lighter.

A 991.2 Carrera with a turbo flat-6 and PDK had a listed weight of 3200 lb'ish, but I do agree that everything has gotten heavier. As I mentioned earlier, I used to complain that my 135i was too heavy, and it's a four seater that's 3350'ish.
Everything has gotten heavier. That's why I don't worry about it. A 992 Carerra S comes in around 3400-3450lbs depending on RWD/AWD options now.
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Dealership That Had 2020 Toyota Supra Marked Up To Nearly $200k Sells It For $100k

https://jalopnik.com/dealership-that...ear-1837174684

lol, someone paid 100k for one.
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What an idiot. These are listed all over the US at msrp. Just do some simple leg work. There is now 100 more 2020 Supra’s listed on Autotrader than 2020 M2 Comps. Nothing special about this car.

$4k off anyone?
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3 pedals and a V8 sounds a hell of a lot better to me than a turbo 6 and a ZF.
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