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X5 45e Specs Offline on BMW NA Websites???
Normally I'd write this off off as routine website maintenance - and maybe it is - but given the X5 45e problems going on I thought I'd post this...
I went out to the BMWUSA website to check on a spec and realized I couldn't get to the normal 45e specs page (specs should appear above the bottom nav bar): So I checked the X5 40i, 50i, etc and they were there! I checked on multiple browsers and in cloaked-mode and it's the same behavior: features & specs for the other models, no 45e specs: So then I went to the build page and checked the standard features and they're blank! Again, i checked multiple browsers, etc So then I went out to BMW Canada's site and went to the specs page - the 45e is missing! Then I went to the BMW.ca build page and checked the standard features and they're missing! Again, all other models worked fine and specs were available ... I"m too lazy to check other countries, but it would seem BMW has taken the 45e's spec and standard features offline for all of North America ... Could be website maintenance or ... could be some 45e changes are coming? Or worse? GOLFFRR any dealer scoop? Is it possible BMW is going to stop sale of the x5 45e and/or make significant changes??
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Does the site still have information like the horsepower of the e-motor, liters/kilometer, etc for the 45e?? That's the missing part in North America ... |
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10-15-2020, 07:14 AM | #5 |
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BMW Germany website still has the full technical specification, I have just checked it...
Edit: I have just checked the US website and it only shows the ICE horsepower now but the MPG and 0-60 numbers include the EV impact. All other PHEV models have their tech specs btw and remember the recall is for all PHEV models not just the X5... Last edited by moodyhank82; 10-15-2020 at 07:21 AM.. |
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10-15-2020, 02:37 PM | #7 |
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Unless they change the monroney sticker, I think people who are taking delivery can still sue BMW if the 45e is sold without a functioning HV battery. Hell, BMW could even be liable for tax fraud if the 45e is qualifying for the tax credit but cannot function as a PHEV. So I don't see how changing/hiding the website specs would provide legal cover for BMW...
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In short, whenever there's any question about the ongoing viability and/or integrity of a product, the lawyers move in to halt all marketing and publishing of the specs of said product - the first place this shows up is on the website. In this case, what it could mean is that, to your point, while BMW will be liable for fulfilling the promise on the products they've already sold, they won't be liable for future products sold should they want to change the specs. For example, think of the all of the options that are no longer on the 2021s - of course BMW must support them (and fulfill them) on vehicles delivered and/or still in production - they aren't liable to support or even provide those options on new products. We may be seeing the beginning of the 2022 X5 45e with new specs which BMW has accelerated due to the 45e recalls. So the question is, if that's the case, what's going to be lost or gained? ... and for those waiting for a new 45e, are they getting a gift (current features that won't be offered in the future) or a lemon?
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sounds like they are taking it back to testing. in dont know any other details. Ill have to ask my guys next time I talk to them. interesting no doubt
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You can see detailed specs for the X3 30e. However the description to 530e and 745e is very limited but still shows some specs about the ICE system. The 530e has no info about the battery system and 330e/745e just shows the battery capacity. Is the X3 30e not involved in the recall?
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Yeah ... definitely looks like BMW is doing some rejiggering of their PHEVs in North America at least ...
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Yes, you can configure the car with different options (color, interior materials, etc.). You can always select configure bmw uk or España in your internet browser. Some options are not available in US.
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In case anyone is looking for the specs before they took it offline...
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...language=en_US |
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The specifications for BMW X5 45e are back on their US website. If you check BMW UK though, it says total torque is 600 N-m (442.5 lb-ft), Engine torque is 450 N-m (332 lb-ft) and Electric Engine torque is 265 N-m (195 lb-ft). If you add 450+265 = 715 N-m, so clearly that's wrong. The electric engine torque is 150 N-m (110 lb-ft). BMW US shows 77 lb-ft.
I initially thought maybe the electric torque is less in the US because the battery is limited to a lower capacity but, total torque should also be lower so I'm pretty sure they just messed up. |
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Really I am just brainstorming but it is pretty obvious to me that an electric motor capable of producing 111 hp is not pushing out only 77 lbs ft of torque... Last edited by moodyhank82; 10-22-2020 at 02:35 PM.. |
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I have to agree with Moodyhank82... There is no way the car will move on electric mode only with those numbers. The electric motor should definitely be pushing out a lot more than 77lbs ft of torque.
Considering my 530e, which also has an electric motor rated at 111hp, the specs state it is pushing 184lbs ft. |
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