[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by geddylee

I’ll just add that it is true you can’t get Bowers with the 40i and while my car stickered for over 80k you can’t even get 4 zone climate control with it. Hard to fathom but true.

I was shocked at that fact, i.e., the B&W available I the M60i only or X5M. It's not a supply chain issue as that was 2022 but since 2023 BMW has all the RAM boosters required for the B&W system. One can order a 840i up to a M8C in coupe, convertible or GC with B&W. Granted it is an upscale series but nuking it from the 40i is nothing but a cash grab at requiring a M60i if one desires B&W.

Not sure about the massaging seats though as never had them, the 8-series doesn't even have them standard or an option. There's been scuttlebutt regarding that on the 8-series forum from those coming from M5s with the massaging seats. That said I'd seriously still doubt a supply chain issue vs they just never designed them in the 8-series seats which are drastically different from the 5 series or X series.

[jad03060]

While some don't think it's true...there are still supply chain issues. Throw in shipping bottlenecks, and getting parts is tough. BMW would like to sell you more expensive options, but would rather than allow you to order them, then tell you sorry, can't do it...so, they allocate them to markets/models where they deem them more critical and can meet their availability.

[CGG]

In Canada the X540i can be had with both massaging seats and B&W. Odd they are not available as options for the 40i in the US - must be a supply issue....

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

I was shocked at that fact, i.e., the B&W available I the M60i only or X5M. It's not a supply chain issue as that was 2022 but since 2023 BMW has all the RAM boosters required for the B&W system. One can order a 840i up to a M8C in coupe, convertible or GC with B&W. Granted it is an upscale series but nuking it from the 40i is nothing but a cash grab at requiring a M60i if one desires B&W.

Definitely is a supply chain issue as to why B&W is not offered on the lower models. There are still huge shortages of chips and other components. In the US I'm sure they would love to offer it on the 40i and 50e like they do in other countries but at this point the availability just doesn't allow it. Rather than constantly issuing production constraints, like we have been seeing with the massage seats, they are not offering it until the supply can meet the forecasted demand for the US. They have done this the last few years with various options.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Definitely is a supply chain issue as to why B&W is not offered on the lower models. There are still huge shortages of chips and other components. In the US I'm sure they would love to offer it on the 40i and 50e like they do in other countries but at this point the availability just doesn't allow it. Rather than constantly issuing production constraints, like we have been seeing with the massage seats, they are not offering it until the supply can meet the forecasted demand for the US. They have done this the last few years with various options.

In hindsight that makes sense from a parts to volume perspective. We on the 8-series forum just watched the supply chain issue unfold in 2020 starting with wireless charging and ramping up from there. Given the wireless charging is standard BMW just credited $200 off the MSRP. I spent the first 19 years of my career in hightech manufacturing which included semiconductors so between my friends still in that vertical and just understanding the time to market it was clear that it was going to be a bit ugly for the automotive industry as a whole let alone other consumer goods.

The parts to volume being the key as X5's (along with most SUVs) sell like hot cakes and dominate the automotive market share in the US. Big coupes like the 8-series are a dying breed. Rumor being after the 7-year lifecycle the 8-series is dead after the 2025 MY and is likely going to be a mashup of the 6-series (GC's still sold in other markets) and 8-series but GC only.

So BMW can offer the B&W with the associated RAM module/booster all day long for the 2023/2024 8-series regardless of variant due to low volume. X5? Likely not a chance in hell they can do so at their high volume.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by CGG

In Canada the X540i can be had with both massaging seats and B&W. Odd they are not available as options for the 40i in the US - must be a supply issue....

As per my "hindsight" that's a volume situation, i.e., most likely in the Canadian market there are way less X5's sold vs the US market. Same supply issue overall as dollars to donuts the X5's sold in CA come from the US plants that build them. Common sense as given NAFTA (now USCMA) means no tarrifs on the export/import of X5's made in the US sold in CA.

Edit: granted an Internet source but considered accurate although it didn't have 2022/2023 sales figures for X5's in CA the volume discrepancy is is completely apparent (more X5's sold in the US in Q2 2023 that the entire year in CA 2021).

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Rumor being after the 7-year lifecycle the 8-series is dead after the 2025 MY and is likely going to be a mashup of the 6-series (GC's still sold in other markets) and 8-series but GC only..

Sounds like bad information someplace. The next version of the 8 Series will debut 7/26 and will run through 6/33. It will be the G75/G76/G77/G93 which are the 8 series coupe, cabrio, GC, M8GC.

[bandersen]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

My 50e is the best BMW I ever owned. Even much better than my previous 45e. Can't believe the 40i is bad.

I really like the current instrument panel and OS 8.5. Haven't missed a physical button for one second yet. And I even can change the temp on the panel while driving without crashing the car! Hell, the software buttons are even easier to reach and more in line of sight.

Never had any issues with HK. It's quite good and a lot better than standard HIFI. I did use the equalizer to fine tune it.

Yes, there are some things I would have like seen different. Like the comfort acces on the rear doors, distance button on the steering wheel.

But that's all minor stuff. In the end it's a great car and a succesful update. I'm not afraid of change

Did you make it home ok in the 50? Hasn’t been in the shop for half it’s life, like all the others, has it? Fingers crossed for you.

[zanicwb]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

My 50e is the best BMW I ever owned. Even much better than my previous 45e. Can't believe the 40i is bad.

I really like the current instrument panel and OS 8.5. Haven't missed a physical button for one second yet. And I even can change the temp on the panel while driving without crashing the car! Hell, the software buttons are even easier to reach and more in line of sight.

Never had any issues with HK. It's quite good and a lot better than standard HIFI. I did use the equalizer to fine tune it.

Yes, there are some things I would have like seen different. Like the comfort acces on the rear doors, distance button on the steering wheel.

But that's all minor stuff. In the end it's a great car and a succesful update. I'm not afraid of change

I second that! I upgraded the wife's X5 45e to the 50e, and the only feature missing is Comfort Access on the rear doors. Zero issues, no CEL, no road noise. All great as expected.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Sounds like bad information someplace. The next version of the 8 Series will debut 7/26 and will run through 6/33. It will be the G75/G76/G77/G93 which are the 8 series coupe, cabrio, GC, M8GC.

That's another rumor of sorts as absolutely nothing has been confirmed by BMW at this point one way or another. That would be the next model run "if" the 8-series moves forward. The market is absolutely soft for large coupes to the point other manufacturers have dropped them completely.

One saving grace is the new AMG GT coupe my fellow 8 series brethren all have an eye on. I almost bought a LC500 but the Infotainment system was abysmal back on the 2020s but the 2024s have the new NA designed one rolled out across the rest of the Lexus line in 2020/2023. Less performance than the M850i but gorgeous and the NA V8 is beyond glorious.

The other aspect is hybrid/PHEV/EV. If the 8-series does move forward with for me the G75 and it's any one of that mix vs pure ICE I'm out along with the rest of us current M850i/M8 owners. If I wanted an EV I'd buy a dirt cheap Model 3 or even a S (on my shortlist back in 2019/2020) in comparison to the nose bleeds of the performance ICE world sticker price. If I can fit in a 911 at 6'6" (I've been told the 991/992s have more roof height than the last time I tried a 997) that may seal the deal.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

That's another rumor of sorts as absolutely nothing has been confirmed by BMW at this point one way or another. That would be the next model run "if" the 8-series moves forward. The market is absolutely soft for large coupes to the point other manufacturers have dropped them completely.
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Not a rumor at all. That is from BMW via Ynguldyn. Obviously anything can change but that is what is currently scheduled to happen.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Not a rumor at all. That is from BMW via Ynguldyn.

Yep same source. I'll believe it when I see it and once again if not a full ICE offering I'll take my $ elsewhere. 👍

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by bandersen

Did you make it home ok in the 50? Hasn’t been in the shop for half it’s life, like all the others, has it? Fingers crossed for you.

Yes zero issues.
Like all others, are maybe 2% with problems and of that 2% 1% find its way to this forum
The +90% with zero issues you don't find here

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Sounds like bad information someplace. The next version of the 8 Series will debut 7/26 and will run through 6/33. It will be the G75/G76/G77/G93 which are the 8 series coupe, cabrio, GC, M8GC.

8 series doesn't sell in Europe. I think car manufacturers agenda is greatly being determind by politics. Especially in Europe.

Like in my country hybrids were interesting if you puchased it before June 30th. Now they want to go full EV and the governement doesn't stimulate hybrids anymore.
One of the reasons the 50e was so early on the market here to order. They sold like hot cakes with a crazy end rush in June. Now that hybrid market has collapsed.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Sounds like bad information someplace. The next version of the 8 Series will debut 7/26 and will run through 6/33. It will be the G75/G76/G77/G93 which are the 8 series coupe, cabrio, GC, M8GC.

Glad to hear that. The 8 series is a fantastic vehicle. I will likely be an early adopter of that next generation.

[cococarli]

If you are older or not very tech savy and used to "dummy proof everything" then you will have an issue with ANY NEW CAR because the future is NO BUTTONS lol SO instead of complaining because you don't have it in you to learn how to use the car correctly or learn how to navigate it - I highly suggest staying with your older X5 models with a million buttons and keep your complaints to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean way, but don't hate on a new car because you don't know how to use it. The new X5 is FREAKING AWESOMEEEEEEEEE and I think everyone should get it!!! LOLOL


ok bye xoxoxo

[Guy Fleegman]

Originally Posted by cococarli

If you are older or not very tech savy and used to "dummy proof everything" then you will have an issue with ANY NEW CAR because the future is NO BUTTONS lol SO instead of complaining because you don't have it in you to learn how to use the car correctly or learn how to navigate it - I highly suggest staying with your older X5 models with a million buttons and keep your complaints to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean way, but don't hate on a new car because you don't know how to use it. The new X5 is FREAKING AWESOMEEEEEEEEE and I think everyone should get it!!! LOLOL


ok bye xoxoxo

It's not that we CAN'T learn how to use it. It's a matter of convenience and safety. I don't believe a lot of these changes are motivated by sound ergonomic principles as much as by cutting costs.

For every old-timer stuck in the past there's a futuristic tech-savvy youngster who believes texting and driving is freaking awesome.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by cococarli

If you are older or not very tech savy and used to "dummy proof everything" then you will have an issue with ANY NEW CAR because the future is NO BUTTONS lol SO instead of complaining because you don't have it in you to learn how to use the car correctly or learn how to navigate it - I highly suggest staying with your older X5 models with a million buttons and keep your complaints to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean way, but don't hate on a new car because you don't know how to use it. The new X5 is FREAKING AWESOMEEEEEEEEE and I think everyone should get it!!! LOLOL


ok bye xoxoxo

Agree the vehicle is great. Mid 60s and not highly technical here and no problem what so ever operating anything in this M60i.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Guy Fleegman

It's not that we CAN'T learn how to use it. It's a matter of convenience and safety. I don't believe a lot of these changes are motivated by sound ergonomic principles as much as by cutting costs.

For every old-timer stuck in the past there's a futuristic tech-savvy youngster who believes texting and driving is freaking awesome.

Cost cutting, streamlining manufacturing, and some of the "only we (BMW) can fix it" there.

And to B&W, I don't believe the omission is due to current supply chain any more. BMW sells about 65K X5 per year, how many of them with B&W?? After the real supply chain issue in 2022, BMW must figure out omitting it in certain trim actually doesn't impact sale number at all, why bother to bring it back to complicated manufacturing assembly line and logistics

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Guy Fleegman

It's not that we CAN'T learn how to use it. It's a matter of convenience and safety. I don't believe a lot of these changes are motivated by sound ergonomic principles as much as by cutting costs.

For every old-timer stuck in the past there's a futuristic tech-savvy youngster who believes texting and driving is freaking awesome.

Texting and driving=stupid
Texting and highly aggressive driving=stupid raised by a power of ten.

[LDT]

Originally Posted by cococarli

If you are older or not very tech savy and used to "dummy proof everything" then you will have an issue with ANY NEW CAR because the future is NO BUTTONS lol SO instead of complaining because you don't have it in you to learn how to use the car correctly or learn how to navigate it - I highly suggest staying with your older X5 models with a million buttons and keep your complaints to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean way, but don't hate on a new car because you don't know how to use it. The new X5 is FREAKING AWESOMEEEEEEEEE and I think everyone should get it!!! LOLOL


ok bye xoxoxo

Says the one who cannot figure out the F12 trick on another post

[cococarli]

Computer coding and knowing how to operate a dashboard on a car are little different lol ....I am not a coder nor need that skill in my everyday life. I apologize if you were offended by my comment.