[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by hiluca

is there actually any mechanical difference between the current 50e en M60e in the 7 series ?

I'm not aware of any but have not looked into the details. May just be the hp of the two engines.

"Although the 760i xDrive has a V8 engine, the M760e xDrive uses a smaller inline-six with the familiar 3.0-liter displacement, 48V tech, and an electric motor. On its own, the combustion engine is good for 380 horsepower (280 kilowatts) at 5,200 rpm and 520 Nm (383 lb-ft) of torque from 1,850 rpm. The e-motor delivers an extra 200 hp (145 kW) and 280 Nm (206 lb-ft). With the power of the two combined, the M Performance plug-in hybrid pushes out 571 hp (420 kW) and 800 Nm (590 lb-ft)."

[hiluca]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I'm not aware of any but have not looked into the details. May just be the hp of the two engines.

"Although the 760i xDrive has a V8 engine, the M760e xDrive uses a smaller inline-six with the familiar 3.0-liter displacement, 48V tech, and an electric motor. On its own, the combustion engine is good for 380 horsepower (280 kilowatts) at 5,200 rpm and 520 Nm (383 lb-ft) of torque from 1,850 rpm. The e-motor delivers an extra 200 hp (145 kW) and 280 Nm (206 lb-ft). With the power of the two combined, the M Performance plug-in hybrid pushes out 571 hp (420 kW) and 800 Nm (590 lb-ft)."

so also no different ZF8 speed with the +100nm to 800nm ? how much torque can the current ZF8 speed in the X5 hold actually ?

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

(From what I’ve been reading here)

I think at this luxury price point the overwhelming majority of people are NOT buying the hybrid to save a buck… 1) the convenience of not going to the gas station, 2) garage conditioning, 3) quiet + smooth ride are the main reasons people are doing it.

Which I agree are substantial value adds but for me I’m still not convinced I want the complexity / sacrifices that come with the PHEV 50e - bmw might be a lot smoother than jeep but it still can’t be as good as pure ice

There are gas stations on every other corner, some intersections have a gas station on all 4 corners. My 17 to 18 gallon fill ups take 3 minutes @ 6 gallon/minute yielding a 500 mile range and I do this once every 2-3 weeks and is wildly more preferable to me than the requisite overnight charging every night with a PHEV. I have no interest in jockeying cords along with plugging/uplugging my car every single night and morning which I now cannot even do as I have moved to a high rise condo building.
I would have gone Cadillac or Lexus if I were looking for an extra smooth and quite experience.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by cobramite

There are gas stations on every other corner, some intersections have a gas station on all 4 corners. My 17 to 18 gallon fill ups take 3 minutes @ 6 gallon/minute yielding a 500 mile range and I do this once every 2-3 weeks and is wildly more preferable to me than the requisite overnight charging every night with a PHEV. I have no interest in jockeying cords along with plugging/uplugging my car every single night and morning which I now cannot even do as I have moved to a high rise condo building.
I would have gone Cadillac or Lexus if I were looking for an extra smooth and quite experience.

It may not be appealing to you, yet, until you try it. After PHEV ownership for 1.5 year, the no having to stop for gas stations is quite convenient. It is one of the main advantages. Sure it put a constraint on the home condition. You can call this a 1st world problem, but so as everything about owning a X5.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

It may not be appealing to you, yet, until you try it. After PHEV ownership for 1.5 year, the no having to stop for gas stations is quite convenient. It is one of the main advantages. Sure it put a constraint on the home condition. You can call this a 1st world problem, but so as everything about owning a X5.

I would not go the PHEV route unless we move back to a private home which is highly unlikely or if there is a major accomodation in these high rise buildings for charging. I would have interest in one of the various new ultra high power PHEVs. Some of these are extremely cool.
I do not consider a 3 minute stop for gas once q2 weeks to be any kind of disadvantage, actually see it as a significant advantage over every night charging. To each his own I guess.
Glad to hear that your PHEV is working out and serving your needs.

[Drbob20]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Glad to hear from someone who has these doubts at present about EVs, PHEVs, etc. I can't imagine spending 90 grand on a vehicle and then jumping through hoops to save a buck a day or maybe nothing at all vs an all gas car.
Some guys seem to like these electrified vehicles and that is good for them but they are in a very distinct minority.
The EV industry needs a few very significant technological advancements before you see any widespread acceptance of these vehicles.

The save a few dollars argument is interesting, for me it was completely the opposite. My question was do I spend more money to get the e, the cost of the 50e is approx. $5500 more than the 40i, probably $500 for a charger, plus the cost of install, call it $7000 pricier than the 40i. I'm surely not likely to break even on that in my years of ownership, so definitely not saving any bucks. I was more concerned with overall performance, driving experience drawbacks between the two. The not needing to fill up often is a bonus. Ultimately, I decided to spend the additional to jump and try the hybrid. The jury is still out.....

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by cobramite

I would not go the PHEV route unless we move back to a private home which is highly unlikely or if there is a major accomodation in these high rise buildings for charging. I would have interest in one of the various new ultra high power PHEVs. Some of these are extremely cool.
I do not consider a 3 minute stop for gas once q2 weeks to be any kind of disadvantage, actually see it as a significant advantage over every night charging. To each his own I guess.
Glad to hear that your PHEV is working out and serving your needs.

It sounds like you're vehemently anti-EV. Which is fine, to each their own.

Having owned a 45e for a year now, it takes me 5 seconds to plug the vehicle in when I arrive home. Another 5 seconds when I leave. I average around 1200-1300 miles between trips to the gas station. You may not agree, but it is extremely convenient to have a PHEV when you have an L2 charger at home since I can go several weeks without going to the gas station. And if I need instant extra range, I have the same ability you do to go to the gas station and add 18.5 gallons of fuel.

It's also nice to be able to pre-climatize the vehicle in my garage without having to worry about emissions.

Living in a highrise without a charging infrastructure, I can see why a PHEV is not for you. But that doesn't mean it isn't for everyone.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by cobramite

There are gas stations on every other corner, some intersections have a gas station on all 4 corners. My 17 to 18 gallon fill ups take 3 minutes @ 6 gallon/minute yielding a 500 mile range and I do this once every 2-3 weeks and is wildly more preferable to me than the requisite overnight charging every night with a PHEV. I have no interest in jockeying cords along with plugging/uplugging my car every single night and morning which I now cannot even do as I have moved to a high rise condo building.
I would have gone Cadillac or Lexus if I were looking for an extra smooth and quite experience.

Sounds like ICE is perfect for you and your situation but let’s all just agree everyone has different setups, needs and preferences.

[jad03060]

The charging port is right in front of the driver's door (at least in LHD!), so it's right there where you need to be to actually use the vehicle. It takes all of 10-seconds to pop the door open and plug in. The logic won't let you drive off with it plugged in and will alert you if you left the door open. So, IF you can install an EVSE, it's likely a one-time, purchase that should last a long time through multiple vehicles, so you can spread that cost out over many years. I've had mine installed now for almost 10-years...still going strong now on my second plug-in vehicle (the first was an i3).

It's easier than plugging in my smartphone.

The electrician that installed my EVSE said that new construction (homes) in CT back then were required by local codes to prewire for an EVSE installation. My guess is that this will become more widespread over time, and will likely become a selling point when it's time to sell your home.

[arRod1981]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

"Adaptive" driving mode is no longer a standalone concept for BMW cars released after ~2021. It is "folded" to the regular driving mode such as comfort modes or hybrid modes.

I'm not understanding what you're saying about Adaptive mode not being available after 2021. My '22 45e built June 29, 2022 has the following 4 drive mode buttons: Sport, Hybrid, Electric, and Adaptive.

[jad03060]

From what I've heard, it was 2023 or 2024 MY where the 'adaptive' button went away.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Phasers

It sounds like you're vehemently anti-EV. Which is fine, to each their own.

Having owned a 45e for a year now, it takes me 5 seconds to plug the vehicle in when I arrive home. Another 5 seconds when I leave. I average around 1200-1300 miles between trips to the gas station. You may not agree, but it is extremely convenient to have a PHEV when you have an L2 charger at home since I can go several weeks without going to the gas station. And if I need instant extra range, I have the same ability you do to go to the gas station and add 18.5 gallons of fuel.

It's also nice to be able to pre-climatize the vehicle in my garage without having to worry about emissions.

Living in a highrise without a charging infrastructure, I can see why a PHEV is not for you. But that doesn't mean it isn't for everyone.

"I would have interest in one of the various new ultra high power PHEVs. Some of these are extremely cool.", quoted directly from my post that you are responding to.
What part of this statement leads you to conclude that I am "vehemently anti EV"? Is English a 2nd language for you?

[tooloud10]

Originally Posted by cobramite

"I would have interest in one of the various new ultra high power PHEVs. Some of these are extremely cool.", quoted directly from my post that you are responding to.
What part of this statement leads you to conclude that I am "vehemently anti EV"? Is English a 2nd language for you?

Why are you so rude to so many here?

[RNorb]

Originally Posted by tooloud10

Why are you so rude to so many here?

I think Corbramite was just trying to add a little humor to the discussion.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by RNorb

I think Corbramite was just trying to add a little humor to the discussion.

Exactly and Thank You.
The guy is just angry and not worth responding to.

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by cobramite

"I would have interest in one of the various new ultra high power PHEVs. Some of these are extremely cool.", quoted directly from my post that you are responding to.
What part of this statement leads you to conclude that I am "vehemently anti EV"? Is English a 2nd language for you?

No, I purposefully said EV instead of PHEV. Perhaps I should have clarified it sounds like you're vehemently anti-pure-EV but are open to "various new ultra high power PHEVs" even though you spent the last half dozen or so posts bashing every kind of EV.

Anyways, keep up the pleasant conversation, friend.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Phasers

No, I purposefully said EV instead of PHEV. Perhaps I should have clarified it sounds like you're vehemently anti-pure-EV but are open to "various new ultra high power PHEVs" even though you spent the last half dozen or so posts bashing every kind of EV.

Anyways, keep up the pleasant conversation, friend.

Oh I see, now we split hairs EV, PHEV, Mild Hybrid, etc.
I own a mild hybrid and like what I see in regards to some of the higher performing PHEVs as stated but you seem to be up my ass for not cheerleading about EVs.
I'll try to be more correct with my vehicular "pronouns" going forward, friend.

[jad03060]

I wonder why, at least in spin on filters such as described on the Mann website https://www.mann-filter.com/en/parts/oil-filter.html they talk about a built-in bypass filter. It's there to help ensure you get oil flow through the engine if the filter is unable to properly pass the cold oil. On an engine designed for a cartridge, that function is usually designed into the oil system rather than the filter itself.

If it was so unlikely why go to the expense of including it in the design? It would be cheaper to just eliminate it.

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Originally Posted by arRod1981

I'm not understanding what you're saying about Adaptive mode not being available after 2021. My '22 45e built June 29, 2022 has the following 4 drive mode buttons: Sport, Hybrid, Electric, and Adaptive.

You need to read carefully, I am not understanding why you are reading the simple sentence wrong in two ways,

1) it is released not built. Your 2022 x5 is a pre-LCI G05 released in 2019.

2) for cars released after ~2021, adaptive itself is folded into the regular driving mode, not being dropped

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

You need to read carefully, I am not understanding why you are reading the simple sentence wrong in two ways,

1) it is released not built. Your 2022 x5 is a pre-LCI G05 released in 2019.

2) for cars released after ~2021, adaptive itself is folded into the regular driving mode, not being dropped

Likely because it is not simple but rather confusing using the word released and also incorrect in the information.

Adaptive driving mode has not been folded into any other mode. It was a driving mode by itself that has been dropped. You might be thinking of the PHEV Adaptive mode which is something totally different.

[aussieintexas]

Originally Posted by Phasers

It sounds like you're vehemently anti-EV. Which is fine, to each their own.

Having owned a 45e for a year now, it takes me 5 seconds to plug the vehicle in when I arrive home. Another 5 seconds when I leave. I average around 1200-1300 miles between trips to the gas station. You may not agree, but it is extremely convenient to have a PHEV when you have an L2 charger at home since I can go several weeks without going to the gas station. And if I need instant extra range, I have the same ability you do to go to the gas station and add 18.5 gallons of fuel.

It's also nice to be able to pre-climatize the vehicle in my garage without having to worry about emissions.

Living in a highrise without a charging infrastructure, I can see why a PHEV is not for you. But that doesn't mean it isn't for everyone.

Agreed. We have had a ‘21 45e for 3 years and our commutes and daily activities generally never deplete, or close to, the battery, so we only fill up when we go on a trip. Love it. And super quiet and so comfortable. We had a 18 40e for 3 years prior (and 1 before that for 6 months (flooded during Harvey) which was good but the 21 model was a huge leap in comfort, ride and battery performance.

[eluded]

few things I noticed 40i vs 50e

• lack of low end torque without the "e-boost"
• lack of check engine lights
• one weights WAY more and its obvious with handling dynamics
• smaller brakes
• air suspension way better from comfort point of view
• can't drive 40 miles without using fuel
• cheaper MSRP