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I posted a similar question in another thread...i had no idea what changed for july 1 2020 and beyond, but should've checked this thread first.
At the end of the day, would it be cool to use? Yes. At the end of the day, I do not have smart locks on my house and refuse to ever go that route...so i need to carry the 2 keys to get in my gate and house. I will be the first to admit that I fall for all the tech BS. While I will bitch and moan that I can't use my iphone to open and start the vehicle, i think i will survive. Hopefully everyone feels the same? Let's just try and justify why we don't care! |
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Edited to say written in haste and meant to refer to all the features one gets from our key fob. I am just frustrated as an early adopter to see BMW break so many promises.
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Strictly speaking, I believe you can both lock and unlock your car from the app (see below) and could for a while now. However, I was promised operation of the car (not just lock and unlock) and sharing of operation access. We should try to keep it precise.
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I corrected my post written in haste as I have a visceral reaction to BMW having loaded up with so many promises then finding ways to not delivery or for endless delays or to add purchase fees, etc.
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Interesting in the app locale difference. In the UK I can't remotely beep the horn, only get "Ventilate Now" (cool, not heat), can "look" around my vehicle where you can "see" around yours and some different icons. Crazy German coders.
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Here is an ancient thread that folks like me used to hope it would not be long before my iPhone and perhaps even my iW could be used as a key.
Notice the BMW video in the OP: https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...ne+digital+key
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To me the proper WiFi analogy would be if you bought a new computer with a WiFi adapter thats 802.1.1n but your router is an old school 802.11a. Does that mean your new computer will not get WiFi? No, it just means it won't take advantage of the newest features. The same has to be true with NFC or else it would get dated within a year. It will be compatible across the whole spectrum. you just won't be able to utilize it to it's fullest capacity if you don't have the latest hardware. |
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I think that's the key point here (if not, then BMW is being rude as hell ). The fact that Apple supports it on the 2018 models (XS/Max/R), which does NOT have the UWB chip, means that they are theoretically starting with 2.0 support and will support 3.0 as it rolls out. However, the reason a Wireless AC adapter can connect to an old N router is because there are common security protocols at play. The AC adapter can join a WPA2 N network because WPA2 is supported by both sides. If Wireless AC only supported 802.1x authentication and your router does not, you'll never get the two to work together. As another example, if AC was secured by hardware features (let's say on-chip hardware encryption) and the N network doesn't support that, we have a hardware disparity causing the issue. This all more intricate than we're willing to accept (they both tap and read, it should work right?). Yes it's just a local tap & read, but given the keys can be shared and revoked over the internet, it's far more complex than the WiFi Networks saying "hey I'm bob the password is bananas1" and the router saying "welcome aboard!" or a physical NFC chip saying "hello I am 123456" and the car checks itself and says "123456 is permitted". Think about it, our digital keycards are doing NOTHING but telling anything you touch that it is 123456. The host has to respond properly. Ever tap your iPhone on something that shouldn't trigger Apple Pay and it does? That's because something is going AHHH IM NFC LOOK AT ME. If the physical reader has some differences, i.e. chipset changes to support additional parameters or encryption keys, not found in 1.0 spec and not found in our dummy wallet card, we're SOL. It seems that even though some Androids are supported from the factory, they may be supported as "passive 1.0" devices. I.e., can you share the digital android key with other people? If not, then it's just functioning the same as our wallet card. This is further backed by the fact that not every NFC equipped Android is supported. Digital Key 2.0 was released in May of this year by the way, which absolutely further supports the case that our cars only have the 1.0 spec.. 1.0 came out in June of 2018. Spec 2.0 also supports unlocking/starting on a mobile device with depleted batteries, which means there is some data stored outside of the entire OS being accessed to support this -- likely hardware with a few parameters that can exchange data at a very low power state without the OS being fired up. Recall that on iOS, the storage is encrypted at rest and does not unlock until the device fully boots and the password is supplied. If 2.0 further enhances security by requiring active data exchange to authorize the information being presented, the physical hardware and programming on the 1.0 system may not support that. So.. allll of that said, this is my assumption/summary:
My god that's a lot of text. Edit: also keep in mind, NFC is merely a component of the digital key specs. It integrates a common hardware standard like NFC to send/receive data, but that doesn't mean it only does that.
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Honestly, wouldn't this be an Apple issue? Since the current Androids can do the same thing with current X5s, what is Apple's deal? I assume it's their privacy BS, but who knows. It would be nice to have the capability, but maybe a "lite" version that only does lock/unlock and start, but not sharing keys? I think it could go either way for a backwards compatibility...BMW can charge all the previous customers the annual fee or whatever. I don't understand their play here, but how many people will go out and trade their 2019 or 2020 pre-7/1/20 just to get this function? Why not try to eek out some extra dough with backwards compatibility?
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Really disappointed and annoyed by this on how BMW is not rolling this out to G05 as a standard - old and new when the hardware is already in the car 😡😡😡😡
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Besides the carkey, bmw needs to make the rear seat entertainment apple compatible.
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I have no idea what the implication of this is but on the BMW website the Car Key availability seems to have changed from "vehicles built from July 2020 or later" to "vehicles built from summer 2020 or later".
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Digital Key 1.5 is not car hardware dependant, that much I know. Assumption being you already have v1.0 of course including Comfort Access.
1.5 will not be made available to earlier models, even after receiving 07/2020. There are currently no plans to retrofit, but it has not been ruled out. All being well 07/2020 will be an RSU early Q4 2020. I'll be able to test if it can be manually retrofitted soon. I suspect it will be locked by VIN but we'll see. |
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Apple Car Key will work on older Models
Apple Car Key will work on older models with iDrive 7 exception (X3 & X4 even 2021 built cars)
It will work if your car meets the following requirements: Comfort Access Remote engine start Key card |
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Is he a known reliable source?
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