[VTENGR]

Originally Posted by Wxnatscaps

If they do announce next week which is widely expected and the language is already in the 13.6 privacy policy, I'd guess we're within a few weeks of seeing this go live.

That would be amazing if true!

[pho]

Just wondering; if BMW wants to implement this, would it be as simple as updating (or releasing a new one) the iOS app, or would a system update to the car itself likely be needed as well?
Because then we'll be waiting a while for an OTA with the new feature to arrive...

[AshD]

Originally Posted by Wxnatscaps

If they do announce next week which is widely expected and the language is already in the 13.6 privacy policy, I'd guess we're within a few weeks of seeing this go live.

Hmm.... I think we'll be dreaming g for a while. Apple May enable it soon but BMW will take another 6months to do something about it!

[timmahh]

In theory the car already supports it (Android, and the key card). The car doesn't need to know that you are using an NFC iPhone vs. NFC Android (I assume..). They may have some requirement with the CD app though.

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by Wxnatscaps

If they do announce next week which is widely expected and the language is already in the 13.6 privacy policy, I'd guess we're within a few weeks of seeing this go live.

I'm dying for this to be true but I'm just wondering where anyone has seen specifically that Apple CarKey support would be rolling out to existing vehicles and not say just to 2021 models.

[timmahh]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

I'm dying for this to be true but I'm just wondering where anyone has seen specifically that Apple CarKey support would be rolling out to existing vehicles and not say just to 2021 models.

I have a developer account and have access to the betas (which makes me think, if 13.6 included this, people would be talking about it?). I’ll nab iOS 14 once it’s available and see if there’s anything to celebrate.

[Frenetic]

More articles.

Also, I read that an iPhone 11 (w/UWB) isn’t necessarily required as it will use NFC on all other iPhones without the UWB chip. Of course, having the UWB will make accessing it a lot easier since the range is much greater (i.e., you can leave it in your pocket versus having to hold your phone near the door).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateofl.../#518016c46b71

https://www.cultofmac.com/714035/ios...k-as-car-keys/


https://bgr.com/2020/06/16/ios-13-ne...rkey-api-wwdc/

By Yoni Heisler @edibleapple
June 16th, 2020 at 4:01 PM

A new iOS feature dubbed CarKey will likely be introduced at WWDC next week.

Originally introduced as part of an iOS 13 beta, the CarKey API will allow car owners to unlock, lock, and start their vehicles directly from their iPhone or Apple Watch.

Details regarding privacy and how the technology works were found in a recent iOS 13.6 beta.

With the release of the first iOS 13.4 beta a few months back, Apple introduced a brand new CarKey API designed to give car owners more granular control over their vehicles. In short, the new API will allow iPhone and Apple Watch owners to start, lock, and unlock their cars directly from their devices.

Sure, key fobs have had this functionality for years, but the ability to enjoy that same type of control straight from your iOS device is an added layer of convenience. What’s more, the CarKey API is distinctly more powerful than a standard key fob. Specifically, the API will allow car owners to share vehicle access with friends and family. For example, if your friend needs to borrow your car or access something from the trunk, you can send a token which grants them one-time or permanent access.
As it stands now, there’s no telling if CarKey will officially be introduced as part of iOS 14 or an upcoming iOS 13 release. What is clear, however, is that the feature is coming soon and it stands to reason we’ll see Apple officially introduce it at WWDC next week. To this end, iPhone Ticker recently discovered some new privacy information regarding CarKey in the latest iOS 13.6 build. It reads as follows:

Wallet allows you to add and share car keys for certain vehicles. You can add a car key by logging into the vehicle manufacturer’s app or by entering a coupling code in Wallet to assert your claim as a vehicle owner and to pair your device with your vehicle. If the connection is successful, your device sends a one-time redemption token for the holder to Apple. Apple uses the redemption token, information about your Apple account and device, and your location details at the time of deployment (when location services are enabled) to prevent abuse.

To configure your car key, Apple shares a unique device ID with your vehicle manufacturer. This device ID is different for each vehicle manufacturer to protect your privacy. Your vehicle manufacturer can link this device ID to other information that it has collected about you and will process this information in accordance with its privacy policy.

You can share car keys by tapping “Invite” on the back of the card, selecting the type of access you want, and sharing the card for the car keys using iMessage. Apple shares information about who a card is shared with and the type of access granted to the vehicle manufacturer to help configure and manage car key cards. Apple also shares a unique device ID for the card recipient with the vehicle manufacturer so they can manage your card. For card recipients and owners, the vehicle manufacturer can combine the device ID with other information about the recipient and process this information in accordance with its privacy policy.

Apple does not collect or keep any data about vehicle use, such as when the card for the car keys was used to unlock or lock the vehicle. Your vehicle manufacturer can collect usage data of your vehicle in accordance with the agreements made with you. We recommend reading the vehicle manufacturer’s privacy policy for additional information.

As we’ve highlighted previously, CarKey will offer users three distinct types of vehicle access. The list includes Truck Access, Access Only (unlocking privileges), and Access and Drive. All told, we haven’t seen a ton of intriguing iOS 14 rumors just yet, but hopefully Apple will have a few surprises in store for us.

[micmitch]

I love the idea of this, but would I be confident enough to leave the fob at home for a 2000 mile trip?

[Frenetic]

That’s a good question. I guess it all depends on how comfortable you are with this technology.

If you break or lose your phone, you’re SOL. Conversely, if you break or lose your key fob, you’re equally SOL. However, it will likely be easier to get a new phone away from home versus a new fob, assuming your iCloud backup allows that new phone immediate access to the car without the key itself.

[timmahh]

FYI - 13.6 beta2 w/ CD app does nothing. Place it on the reader and nada happens. Maybe they'll add it in upcoming beta releases but seems iffy.

[ifr]

Originally Posted by pho

Just wondering; if BMW wants to implement this, would it be as simple as updating (or releasing a new one) the iOS app, or would a system update to the car itself likely be needed as well?
Because then we'll be waiting a while for an OTA with the new feature to arrive...

MY 2021 G05-G07 vehicles have different coding in the Head Unit, which suggests it won't work with just a CD app update:
SMARTACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: KML_active
SMARTACCESS_VERSION: smacc_1_5

and the corresponding BDC entries:
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: active
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_VERSION: Smart_Access_KML_NFC

The codes are only slated to be active for cars with a build version of 07/2020 and later. 'If' they are required to support the iOS digital key, then I would expect you will need:
- the codes above,
- an i-step upgrade to 07/2020.x
- and an update to the CD app

[Skeewiff03]

Originally Posted by Frenetic

That’s a good question. I guess it all depends on how comfortable you are with this technology.

If you break or lose your phone, you’re SOL. Conversely, if you break or lose your key fob, you’re equally SOL. However, it will likely be easier to get a new phone away from home versus a new fob, assuming your iCloud backup allows that new phone immediate access to the car without the key itself.

It worked faultless while I had it and even with the phone off, provided it had some battery charge. Only thing you can't do is kick open the trunk. Using past tense since after my upgrade to the S20, BMW decided to downgrade me to 'non-compatible' android phone.

If you lose the phone, do not think is that easy since I believe you would need to have it reset and re approved from BMW/dealer.

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by timmahh

FYI - 13.6 beta2 w/ CD app does nothing. Place it on the reader and nada happens. Maybe they'll add it in upcoming beta releases but seems iffy.

It won't work until BMW updates the CD app to allow you to create keys.

[timmahh]

CarKey just announced and demoed @ WWDC. First supported vehicle is G30 LCI (2021 5).

Damn.

[AshD]

Originally Posted by timmahh

CarKey just announced and demoed @ WWDC. First supported vehicle is G30 LCI (2021 5).

Damn.

Only 540i???!!! Is what I heard from next month.

[timmahh]

Originally Posted by AshD

Only 540i???!!! Is what I heard from next month.

Yeah, it’s the latest vehicle in terms of updates so it makes sense. It will work on iOS 13 which is great, but I’m more interested in when the other Gx cars will get it.

[randybobandy]

And we thought BMW and Apple would actually do something different? What a disappointment. Well on the bright side, knowing BMW...it’ll be a piece of crap. With the help of Apple’s software skills...it’ll be a definite piece of shit. Two peas in a pod with these companies.

[AshD]

Originally Posted by timmahh

Yeah, it’s the latest vehicle in terms of updates so it makes sense. It will work on iOS 13 which is great, but I’m more interested in when the other Gx cars will get it.

Exactly - and knowing BMW it will require new idrive OS! hopefully they already been working in this and push OTA globally ASAP

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by AshD

Exactly - and knowing BMW it will require new idrive OS! hopefully they already been working in this and push OTA globally ASAP

I feel like they're hedging themselves. They didn't say anything about older cars.

[timmahh]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

I feel like they're hedging themselves. They didn't say anything about older cars.

To be fair it’s a launch promo with Apple, it would be odd to have a compatibility list from a launch partner during a keynote.

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by timmahh

To be fair it's a launch promo with Apple, it would be odd to have a compatibility list from a launch partner during a keynote.

I don't think so. It's very typical for Apple to say something like "and will be rolling out to older supported BMWs next". That seems like a big deal to me that they wouldn't say that. I want it to roll out to my 2019 X5 and my on order 2020 X7 but just because I want it very badly won't make it true. I want to hear it from them.

[timmahh]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

I don't think so. It's very typical for Apple to say something like "and will be rolling out to older supported BMWs next". That seems like a big deal to me that they wouldn't say that. I want it to roll out to my 2019 X5 and my on order 2020 X7 but just because I want it very badly won't make it true. I want to hear it from them.

But Apple isn’t controlling it here, it’s the car manufacturers.