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      06-22-2020, 01:43 PM   #45
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But Apple isn’t controlling it here, it’s the car manufacturers.
Agreed. I'm sure they are speaking to BMW and they would have loved to say "coming to BMW's entire line of 2020 or newer vehicles" for example.

I hope BMW will have good news for us soon.
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But Apple isn't controlling it here, it's the car manufacturers.
Agreed. I'm sure they are speaking to BMW and they would have loved to say "coming to BMW's entire line of 2020 or newer vehicles" for example.

I hope BMW will have good news for us soon.
Hope so and the fact that it's been on Android for sometime it's only fair it's available to iOS and backward compatible
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I'm installing iOS 14 beta right now. Not expecting any magic, but I'll see if it does anything at all.
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BMW's official release on the website says its for a whole slew of cars/SAVs BUT only those manufactured from July 2020 onwards.

WTF BMW.
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Is that the release date for the coming software update? Possibly will be active on our vehicles.

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BMW's official release on the website says its for a whole slew of cars/SAVs BUT only those manufactured from July 2020 onwards.

WTF BMW.
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Looks like Apple is also going to "enable" the feature for IOS 13.6, not just IOS 14, according to this video;

Apple unlocks the 2021 BMW 5 Series with an iPhone (Full Car Play reveal)

They also mention the U1 features and that it will be coming later as they work out the details with other manufacturers. So it looks like it won't be required initially.

After seeing what BMW did with Drive Recorder for older model years. I suspect they will do the same for CarKey. In other words, if you have an older model you will have to purchase the option or perhaps even subscribe like the current DigitalKey for Android phones.
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Is that the release date for the coming software update? Possibly will be active on our vehicles.
No, their press release states its for cars built from July 2020 (doesn't mention a software update, but maybe that's coming).

Here is their press release: https://www.bmw.com/en/innovation/bm...-key.html?bmw=

Here is where they mention its for cars manufactured after July 2020:

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The following vehicles built from July 2020 or later are compatible with the BMW Digital Key.

The 1

The 2

The 3

The 4

The 5

The 6

The 8

The X5

The X6

The X7

The M5

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I'm dying to understand the reason that only cars manufactured after 7/20 would support this. It would seem to me if your car supports the digital key card today, it should support this. Fingers crossed, but certainly not holding my breath.
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I'm dying to understand the reason that only cars manufactured after 7/20 would support this. It would seem to me if your car supports the digital key card today, it should support this. Fingers crossed, but certainly not holding my breath.
Because BMW is greedy...it’s the same reason they tried to charge for CarPlay. It takes a community to call them out on their BS...there’s no reason 7/20 and later other than being stingy.
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Because BMW is greedy...it’s the same reason they tried to charge for CarPlay. It takes a community to call them out on their BS...there’s no reason 7/20 and later other than being stingy.
I suspect its more likely an issue of Apple requiring specific hardware in the vehicle for the feature it to function. This is reminiscent of many other Apple technologies Homekit, Airplay2, Carplay etc etc that hardware makers have had to contend with. If BMW could roll this out retroactively, even if they charged for it, it would be in their best interest to do so.

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MY 2021 G05-G07 vehicles have different coding in the Head Unit, which suggests it won't work with just a CD app update:
SMARTACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: KML_active
SMARTACCESS_VERSION: smacc_1_5

and the corresponding BDC entries:
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: active
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_VERSION: Smart_Access_KML_NFC

The codes are only slated to be active for cars with a build version of 07/2020 and later. 'If' they are required to support the iOS digital key, then I would expect you will need:
- the codes above,
- an i-step upgrade to 07/2020.x
- and an update to the CD app
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I suspect its more likely an issue of Apple requiring specific hardware in the vehicle for the feature it to function. This is reminiscent of many other Apple technologies Homekit, Airplay2, Carplay etc etc that hardware makers have had to contend with. If BMW could roll this out retroactively, even if they charged for it, it would be in their best interest to do so.
I think it's because of what IFR said in his post. MY21 has different codes.

RE: Hardware, I'm not sure. Only the latest phones have the ultra wideband chip (UWB), which is what's required for the convenience of leaving it in your pocket because UWB can do precise location tracking. The other supported phones, XR, XS etc. don't have that. If it required specific hardware, the XR XS etc. should not be supported, but they are. They just (in theory) will require you to have it in your hand, place it on the charger to start, etc. It is possible there is additional hardware within the NFC reader for MY21, but again, if a MY21 supports an iPhone XR, which cannot use the UWB, why can't a MY20?
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MY 2021 G05-G07 vehicles have different coding in the Head Unit, which suggests it won't work with just a CD app update:
SMARTACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: KML_active
SMARTACCESS_VERSION: smacc_1_5

and the corresponding BDC entries:
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: active
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_VERSION: Smart_Access_KML_NFC

The codes are only slated to be active for cars with a build version of 07/2020 and later. 'If' they are required to support the iOS digital key, then I would expect you will need:
- the codes above,
- an i-step upgrade to 07/2020.x
- and an update to the CD app
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I suspect its more likely an issue of Apple requiring specific hardware in the vehicle for the feature it to function. This is reminiscent of many other Apple technologies Homekit, Airplay2, Carplay etc etc that hardware makers have had to contend with. If BMW could roll this out retroactively, even if they charged for it, it would be in their best interest to do so.
I think it's because of what IFR said in his post. MY21 has different codes.

RE: Hardware, I'm not sure. Only the latest phones have the ultra wideband chip (UWB), which is what's required for the convenience of leaving it in your pocket because UWB can do precise location tracking. The other supported phones, XR, XS etc. don't have that. If it required specific hardware, the XR XS etc. should not be supported, but they are. They just (in theory) will require you to have it in your hand, place it on the charger to start, etc. It is possible there is additional hardware within the NFC reader for MY21, but again, if a MY21 supports an iPhone XR, which cannot use the UWB, why can't a MY20?
The UWB functionality will be something different, rolling out later to new cars starting somewhere next year (will require different hardware not yet in any car on the road, also not in my2021 most likely)

The CarKey functionality they announced today is "basic" nfc that the existing android carkey functionality also uses, so you need to have your iphone <= 1.5 inch away from the door handle.
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When it says it's applicable to cars produced 'from July 2020', does this mean when the car is finished with production? Or when it entered production (or when you placed the order)? My car entered production a few days ago (June) but should be finished early July..
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When it says it's applicable to cars produced 'from July 2020', does this mean when the car is finished with production? Or when it entered production (or when you placed the order)? My car entered production a few days ago (June) but should be finished early July..
This is a very good question. I have an MY20 X7 build slated for week 28 which is July 5th-12th. I spoke to the genius today to ask this and he researched and said he had no idea. Suggested checking back in a few weeks to see if they get more information.
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What exactly is meant by “coding?” Isn’t coding nothing more than software and therefore possible to update?


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MY 2021 G05-G07 vehicles have different coding in the Head Unit, which suggests it won't work with just a CD app update:
SMARTACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: KML_active
SMARTACCESS_VERSION: smacc_1_5

and the corresponding BDC entries:
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: active
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_VERSION: Smart_Access_KML_NFC

The codes are only slated to be active for cars with a build version of 07/2020 and later. 'If' they are required to support the iOS digital key, then I would expect you will need:
- the codes above,
- an i-step upgrade to 07/2020.x
- and an update to the CD app
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What exactly is meant by “coding?” Isn’t coding nothing more than software and therefore possible to update?
Meaning that our cars do not currently have those options available to enable, it’s essentially missing from the car’s OS (so to speak). We would have to have the dealer install the latest I-step version to bring it up to the code used in MY2021 cars, then code the features on. This assumes there isn’t actually a hardware change and that there will be an applicable update to the car.
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Just wondering; if BMW wants to implement this, would it be as simple as updating (or releasing a new one) the iOS app, or would a system update to the car itself likely be needed as well?
Because then we'll be waiting a while for an OTA with the new feature to arrive...
MY 2021 G05-G07 vehicles have different coding in the Head Unit, which suggests it won't work with just a CD app update:
SMARTACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: KML_active
SMARTACCESS_VERSION: smacc_1_5

and the corresponding BDC entries:
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_KML_ACTIVE: active
NFC_SMART_ACCESS_VERSION: Smart_Access_KML_NFC

The codes are only slated to be active for cars with a build version of 07/2020 and later. 'If' they are required to support the iOS digital key, then I would expect you will need:
- the codes above,
- an i-step upgrade to 07/2020.x
- and an update to the CD app
Because this functionality is related to access security and because it is also related to connectivity, I am doubting those 3 steps will be enough. I expect there will need to also be some kind of a certificate exchange/provisioning step. Hence why I doubt that it will be just codeable on MY2019s if BMW decides to pull that BS on us again (nothing builds a trustworthy brand like constantly pissing off your early adopter beta testers).
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Because this functionality is related to access security and because it is also related to connectivity, I am doubting those 3 steps will be enough. I expect there will need to also be some kind of a certificate exchange/provisioning step. Hence why I doubt that it will be just codeable on MY2019s if BMW decides to pull that BS on us again (nothing builds a trustworthy brand like constantly pissing off your early adopter beta testers).
My expectation is that only other requirement will be the iOS CarKey capability and updated CD app.

Don't forget this is an existing subscription model that exists for physical digital keys and android, and is merely now being extended to include an additional vendor. Once the the iPhone and car can talk to each other, the service should work the same as the other digital keys.
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Because this functionality is related to access security and because it is also related to connectivity, I am doubting those 3 steps will be enough. I expect there will need to also be some kind of a certificate exchange/provisioning step. Hence why I doubt that it will be just codeable on MY2019s if BMW decides to pull that BS on us again (nothing builds a trustworthy brand like constantly pissing off your early adopter beta testers).
My expectation is that only other requirement will be the iOS CarKey capability and updated CD app.

Don't forget this is an existing subscription model that exists for physical digital keys and android, and is merely now being extended to include an additional vendor. Once the the iPhone and car can talk to each other, the service should work the same as the other digital keys.
Sounds logical to me.
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My expectation is that only other requirement will be the iOS CarKey capability and updated CD app.

Don't forget this is an existing subscription model that exists for physical digital keys and android, and is merely now being extended to include an additional vendor. Once the the iPhone and car can talk to each other, the service should work the same as the other digital keys.
One can hope. We were promised this when making the original purchase.

If I had time to find the threads, there was a lively debate early in 2019 about when we could go from using our iPhone to our iW.
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My expectation is that only other requirement will be the iOS CarKey capability and updated CD app.

Don't forget this is an existing subscription model that exists for physical digital keys and android, and is merely now being extended to include an additional vendor. Once the the iPhone and car can talk to each other, the service should work the same as the other digital keys.
My thoughts exactly.
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My expectation is that only other requirement will be the iOS CarKey capability and updated CD app.

Don't forget this is an existing subscription model that exists for physical digital keys and android, and is merely now being extended to include an additional vendor. Once the the iPhone and car can talk to each other, the service should work the same as the other digital keys.
My thoughts exactly.
Time will tell. I think this will require BMW provisioning and if they decide not to support MY2019, we won't get that without hacks more serious than coding.
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