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      06-11-2020, 12:36 PM   #23
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1/4 the battery of Model X.
1/8 the range.
That just sounds pathetic.
That's completely irrelevant. This is a PHEV, not a BEV.
The range of the Model X is much higher because that's literally the range of the car. The "range" of this car is easily more than the Model X.

You can't compare the "total" range of one car with the "electric-only" range of another.
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1/4 the battery of Model X.
1/8 the range.
That just sounds pathetic.
That's completely irrelevant. This is a PHEV, not a BEV.
The range of the Model X is much higher because that's literally the range of the car. The "range" of this car is easily more than the Model X.

You can't compare the "total" range of one car with the "electric-only" range of another.
For this battery size, the actual useable range is super pathetic.
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      06-11-2020, 01:58 PM   #25
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I get about 40 miles from a full charge, 30 seems very pessimistic.
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      06-11-2020, 02:14 PM   #26
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30 mile range?!
I thought the 45e in Europe has at least 50-60 miles range???

Unless it's kilometers and I remembered it wrong??
The maximal displayed range I have seen with full charge was 92 km. The realistic real range is around 70 km (40-45 miles). Worse in low temperatures. For most people this is enough going to work and returning.

Charging is still 3,7 kw. So 10 hours on standard 220V to fully charge.
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      06-11-2020, 02:18 PM   #27
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1/4 the battery of Model X.
1/8 the range.
That just sounds pathetic.
That's completely irrelevant. This is a PHEV, not a BEV.
The range of the Model X is much higher because that's literally the range of the car. The "range" of this car is easily more than the Model X.

You can't compare the "total" range of one car with the "electric-only" range of another.
The Model X has a much better Kw/100 km indeed.

I thought model X was around 22. In the 45e I am around 35.

However. The interior is not comparable x5 is a clear winner. Tesla is really fast straight ahead. The X5 is better in the rest ( for me).
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      06-11-2020, 02:25 PM   #28
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1/4 the battery of Model X.
1/8 the range.
That just sounds pathetic.
That's completely irrelevant. This is a PHEV, not a BEV.
The range of the Model X is much higher because that's literally the range of the car. The "range" of this car is easily more than the Model X.

You can't compare the "total" range of one car with the "electric-only" range of another.
For this battery size, the actual useable range is super pathetic.
In Europe people, including me, drive these cars for tax benefit not for the environment or to save fuel. The tax difference with a 40i or 30d is huge. The extra power and silent drive through town are extra benefits. I like to drive this car.

Environmental friendly would be to leave the car at home and take the bike. And don't buy an SUV but a small car.

Saving fuel and money only really works when you charge as much as possible and if you have free electricity by solar panels on your roof.

Same can be said for full electric cars. The CO2 footprint for production of the car and electricity could even be worse than with a small Diesel engine.
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1/4 the battery of Model X.
1/8 the range.
That just sounds pathetic.
That's completely irrelevant. This is a PHEV, not a BEV.
The range of the Model X is much higher because that's literally the range of the car. The "range" of this car is easily more than the Model X.

You can't compare the "total" range of one car with the "electric-only" range of another.
I think that most people, and me to, are afraid to do road trips with a full electric car. Most daily driving wouldn't be a problem for most.

Our ski holiday for example is a 1000 km trip. That would need a lot of charging. This year this lead to huge waiting times at supercharges because half of Europe went skiing. So I wouldn't be happy with that.

If charging infrastructure improves voor all cars ( not only Tesla supercharger), a range of 600 km like the latest model S and faster charging times I would consider a full electric car.

For now I am really happy with the 45e. Silent drive in town. Instant electric torque. Six in line for power and sound. No range anxiety. Nice car to drive and good finish.
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I get about 40 miles from a full charge, 30 seems very pessimistic.
I agree. A Volvo XC90 with just a 11Kw battery gets around 20 miles in pure electric mode. Based on that and what current 45e owners in Europe are getting I'd say a 40 mile range is probably more like it. Isn't BMW known for being conservative when rating HP on their vehicles? Maybe they're doing the same here as well.
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30 mile range?!
I thought the 45e in Europe has at least 50-60 miles range???

Unless it's kilometers and I remembered it wrong??
The maximal displayed range I have seen with full charge was 92 km. The realistic real range is around 70 km (40-45 miles). Worse in low temperatures. For most people this is enough going to work and returning.

Charging is still 3,7 kw. So 10 hours on standard 220V to fully charge.
Still takes 10 hours to charge this puny battery? Does anyone know in the US if it'll charge faster on a 240V outlet like Teslas do? Teslas can charge like 30 miles per hour of charge.
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      06-11-2020, 04:08 PM   #32
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I think that most people, and me to, are afraid to do road trips with a full electric car. Most daily driving wouldn't be a problem for most.

Our ski holiday for example is a 1000 km trip. That would need a lot of charging. This year this lead to huge waiting times at supercharges because half of Europe went skiing. So I wouldn't be happy with that.

If charging infrastructure improves voor all cars ( not only Tesla supercharger), a range of 600 km like the latest model S and faster charging times I would consider a full electric car.

For now I am really happy with the 45e. Silent drive in town. Instant electric torque. Six in line for power and sound. No range anxiety. Nice car to drive and good finish.
When driving to Austria I like to see the Dutch Tesla's on the right lane going 120 km/h on the Autobahn, otherwise they have to charge to often, when I fly 220 km/h with the 30d and this summer with phev on the left lane
With the current technology I don't believe in fully electric cars. It's good as a second car for the wife to get groceries
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30 miles is very pessimistic.
Last few weeks I get a consistent 65km (40.3 miles) per charge.


The Porsche Taycan was also getting a rather low range score in USA. A lot of online reviews indicate they had no problem beating this range. Even with the sporty driving they did during the reviews.
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      06-11-2020, 04:28 PM   #34
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work for a lot of short commuters or running around the city. I would never have to fill up the tank in my situation but do agree and wish the range was more.
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Why the slow charger??
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      06-11-2020, 05:18 PM   #36
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I have my 45e for a month and I am easily getting 40 miles from every charge. Ideal for most of my trips - I have 1100km done with 95% of them on pure EV. I have averaged 0.8 litres per 100km - that’s brilliant.
For anyone buying one I cannot recommend them high enough. However it is essential that you install your own charger in order to get the best benefit from the car. It is designed to be charged every night.
Added benefit - no range anxiety.
Not fair to compare it to a pure EV
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I can confirm what others have reported earlier in this thread. I get 40 miles with spirited driving and 45+ if I'm going rather slow (80km/h, slow acceleration).

One of the few downsides I noticed is the slow charging speed. It takes about 7h if the battery is completely empty. Usually I don't use all of the battery tho, so I'm just charging it for like 3-4h.

Overall I think it's a great car, I pay over 500€ less per month for the lease (thanks tax incentives) and because I can charge for free I also save an additional 200€ per month on gas. On my second tank only and I have my car since late February with 4000km done already.
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      06-11-2020, 06:04 PM   #38
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My 45e ranges:

Full electric acceleration all the time + ac on all the time + I dont care about the range: 50-60km

Normal driving: 60-67km

Careful driving (always looking at instant consumption + some outcity driving at sweet spot speed (60-90 km/h) + still on pair with the traffic): 67-78km
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      06-11-2020, 07:05 PM   #39
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30 mile range?!
I thought the 45e in Europe has at least 50-60 miles range???

Unless it's kilometers and I remembered it wrong??
The maximal displayed range I have seen with full charge was 92 km. The realistic real range is around 70 km (40-45 miles). Worse in low temperatures. For most people this is enough going to work and returning.

Charging is still 3,7 kw. So 10 hours on standard 220V to fully charge.
Still takes 10 hours to charge this puny battery? Does anyone know in the US if it'll charge faster on a 240V outlet like Teslas do? Teslas can charge like 30 miles per hour of charge.
Charging on a dedicated charger is around 7 hours (3,7 Kw, single fase max). On a household plug with the BMW included home charger it's 2,3 Kw max so around 10 hours on 220V. The Tesla can handle 11Kw 3 fase 220V if available with a dedicated charger, charging times will be much better.

From my experience 10h is not a problem. I charge it overnight and leave fully charged in the morning. Plugging in at the mall or somewhere else for one hour is only useful when it gives you acces to a better parking spot. Not for the battery charge it self.

The Audi Q7 etron has a 7,2 Kw onboard charger. I don't know why bmw didn't install a better one.
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Living in the DC Metro area, we had a PHEV, not necessarily for the EV range, but the other benefits. In Maryland, having a PHEV allows for only one occupant and still utilize the HOV lane, on certain interstates. For my wife and I that was worth it, because you can't get back time. That being said 50 miles to a charge would be ideal.
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Am I the only one thinking the numbers/letters name conventions are getting a bit much? It's called the X5 xDrive45e PHEV? Is this the ultimate driveling machine or all in one copier fax machine? /rant/
Must admit I did think before long they'll have to make the cars even wider just to fit the ever expanding names on
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This is exactly the amount of range and capability I am looking for in my next vehicle, I just want it to be in pickup truck form.

Electrification doesn't have to be all about range, nor should it be. Toyota has electrified more vehicles, and made a bigger impact, by focusing on hybridizing where it makes sense and not overstepping, and I see BMW's philosophy as a parallel path, just focused on the luxury buyer. A small for an EV, but still pretty big, battery can make daily life with a vehicle better and easier too, fewer gas stops, quieter, pre-cooling/heating, a "camp" power source with built-in gas generator, all become possible with an electrified utility vehicle with a big enough battery in daily use, and when you're towing or hauling over a long distance, you get the benefits of a gas motor that is as powerful, all by itself, as many 1/2-ton pickup truck engines. Big props for going back to a 6cyl on this one, I'm sure that was not an easy internal battle to fight.

What I don't want is a pure EV utility vehicle, whose range drops from 300 miles to ~120 miles towing my trailer at 65mph (this is about what a Model X manages, towing a much smaller trailer than mine), then unhitching every time I need to charge, and charging the very large battery for an hour or more to make it to the next charger. It would turn a tow to Road America from my house from a 7-8 hour tow with my Tundra, to a 12 hour+ tow. I tow an enclosed car hauler and the physics of a big sail pulling through teh air will never be great for a pure EV, but I would love the electrification because my daily driver in the winter is my pickup, and having a built-in generator and power source for running lighting and small electronics would be awesome. This is a great powertrain option for a utility vehicle. I need it in a truck bed with a longer wheelbase. Hope Toyota has something similar in the works for a Tundra prime or the like.
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Although 30 (or 40) miles in itself isn't going to set any records, it would cover 90% of my driving. I'd be more worried about my fuel going stale after a while since I'd use so little of it.
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Although 30 (or 40) miles in itself isn't going to set any records, it would cover 90% of my driving. I'd be more worried about my fuel going stale after a while since I'd use so little of it.
I don't know what will happen to the fuel but it since the beginning of March I went for fuel last week and had no issues. The tank has a special button you have to push before opening to release the pressure in the tank. If you don't you can't open the tank.

The main effect on the range is the speed. If your track doesn't have highway it will be better. Second is outside temperature. With low temp the range will be better with programmed pre heating. And third driving style. Most of us drive in electric individual as default on start up. This mode stays electric as long as possible and up till 130 km/h.
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