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      09-08-2018, 12:23 AM   #67
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This doesn't make sense to me. So the 45e (5.6s 0-60mph) is slower than 40i (5.3s 0-60mph)? Shouldn't it be 35e or 38e?

Given we already have Tesla Model X for 2 years and Benz munch launched all electric EQC and Audi has all electric suv about to launch (not to mention Jag ipace) I have to say I am not impressed. Yeah it's an improvement over the F15 40e but it's just an evolutionary update when the revolution has already happened.

Am I the only one feeling this way?
There are a lot of variables to 0-60 acceleration. Assuming the transmissions are identical (though the final drive could be different), I'd hazard a guess that the tires are not as sticky and the car is tuned for a bit of efficiency rather than pure performance. There could also be some time lost when transferring from electric to hybrid drive.

It's completely possible the 45e is actually faster, especially when the launch is taken out of the equation. The 5-60 or 50-70 passing figures could very well be better.

Also, the batteries and motors obviously add a lot more weight to an already heavy car. While the 45e has more power, the fact that it is so much heavier and might not kick the combustion engine until after the initial start might be the main reason it's not faster off the line.

Anyway, the model numbers are set by the power figures, not 0-60 acceleration times.
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50 miles electric? Thats it?!
IMO, these types of hybrids are much smarter than pure electric cars for our time. 90% of people have a commute that's less than 50 miles so most of your driving can be pure electric. Otherwise, you can just use the gasoline as a virtual range extender and basically turning your car into a X5 40i.

People with 300 mile range EVs are probably only using <50 miles per day of their range. All while paying a S***load of money for such huge battery packs. One advantage to that is that they can draw much more power and thus get insane acceleration, but for most people this is not a big deal.

Until we get some better charging infrastructure, this car gives you the best of both worlds. Mostly gasoline free commuting and the ability to take the SUV on a road trip. All while still having pretty good performance.
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How are the service intervals if you mostly drive EV and 2 times a year you do longer trips?
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As a current 40e driver, these are all fantastic improvements. My only gripe is the car not being able to use regenerative braking to charge the battery past 54%, which is the Achilles heel of the current 40e.

Also, our current lease ends in December, which means I have to find another alternative for a year or so which may force us into a 40i.
FYI... If you put the car into Sport it will charge a little past 60%
Always do. Save / Sport on the freeways and it tops out at 54%. I've talked to the dealer multiple times and they confirmed with BMW that it's designed like that, which is super annoying.
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How are the service intervals if you mostly drive EV and 2 times a year you do longer trips?
My 2017 X5 40e started it's service interval with 12 mos or 10,000 miles. I was at 4500 miles (half on electric) on the odo when i did a 6000 mile toad trip. At the conclusion and 10,500 miles on the odo, the service indicator said "4000 miles" to service, or the prior 12 month date. So, I conclude that the service indicator is flexible on the 10K, depending on the type of miles; but firm on the 12 months.
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Anyone know what the new battery capacity is to be? Fed Tax Credit based on this, and it could be large enough to garner the full $7500. BMW only gives a part capital cost credit on the tax credit for leases, except for the i3. Volvo gives the full amount. Wonder what BMW will do for this car, if it qualifies for the full tax credit. One also wonders what the battery capacity will be for the PHEV 5-series, with the new battery generation the X5 is getting.
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OK. Ill say it. BMW needs to rethink how it names its models.

xdrive45e is name.

X5 45 is fine. X5 45E is fine. This xdrive is redundant, because they dont offer an sdrive version on it even. lame. Its like 70s are back with car naming.
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OK. Ill say it. BMW needs to rethink how it names its models.

xdrive45e is name.

X5 45 is fine. X5 45E is fine. This xdrive is redundant, because they dont offer an sdrive version on it even. lame. Its like 70s are back with car naming.
I dont like it where they positioned model and type so debage needed.
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Stupid car. Big heavy SUV with a 50 mile electric range. What the actual fuck are we doing here.
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Stupid car. Big heavy SUV with a 50 mile electric range. What the actual fuck are we doing here.
Lazy BMW making money, thats all they are doing. They need these cars to get the regulators off their back and claim they make these electric cars. They are very stupid of course, because they have a premium brand, and if anything, they are best positioned to sell us fully electric cars due to price points. THEY can get away charging us 60-100k for a car thats all electric. Kia, Peugeot, even VW cant. Today electric car is a premium thing still, its expensive to make. They really are missing the point, BMW. This 50 mile range is like a joke when Tesla does 6x more.
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This sounds ideal to me i just dont understand why not more power from that 6 cilinder engine?
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Lazy BMW making money, thats all they are doing. They need these cars to get the regulators off their back and claim they make these electric cars. They are very stupid of course, because they have a premium brand, and if anything, they are best positioned to sell us fully electric cars due to price points. THEY can get away charging us 60-100k for a car thats all electric. Kia, Peugeot, even VW cant. Today electric car is a premium thing still, its expensive to make. They really are missing the point, BMW. This 50 mile range is like a joke when Tesla does 6x more.
Why is 50 miles all electric a joke? The average commute in the US is 32 miles a day. That means someone who bought the X5 45e could commute all week without using any gas (and still have 390hp/440lb-ft on tap). That seems pretty good to me. Most people don't think of the X5 as a commuter car...but now you would be able to use it as one without having to worry about dealing with gas. I'm sure for some people this is appealing! If you don't want it...then buy the 40i or 50i.

BMW's iNEXT cars will compete with Tesla. In order to compete with Tesla you need an all new platform, not a platform designed primarily for gas/diesel engines like the X5.
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People are wondering why they draw so little power out of the 6 cylinder engine.
I have a theory. These motors have to perform (and last) at random intervals, often under full throttle right after a cold start.
They must be designed for longevity as opposed to peak power.
I have a 530e (with a detuned 4 cylinder) and when I leave for work in the morning it starts out in full electric mode. The ICE kicks in when I mash the pedal on the highway onramp. Think about that. A cold engine asked to deliver full power in a fraction of a second. That can't be good for durability.
(I actually got into the habit of flicking the transmission into sport mode -thus forcing the engine on- at red lights prior to reaching the freeway...just to give it a chance to warm up a bit.)

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Stupid car. Big heavy SUV with a 50 mile electric range. What the actual fuck are we doing here.
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Thank you for speaking out my thoughts.

People looking for this Dinosaurs (I had one once...) don't understand, that we have to get smarter not only with drive technology but also with the weight.

So no upsidedownfunnel my i3 will be still smarter than this one when it comes out. Thats "Alter Wein in neuen Schläuchen", not consequent enough innovative. Driving arround unneccessary weight isn't smart at all.
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Lazy BMW making money, thats all they are doing. They need these cars to get the regulators off their back and claim they make these electric cars. They are very stupid of course, because they have a premium brand, and if anything, they are best positioned to sell us fully electric cars due to price points. THEY can get away charging us 60-100k for a car thats all electric. Kia, Peugeot, even VW cant. Today electric car is a premium thing still, its expensive to make. They really are missing the point, BMW. This 50 mile range is like a joke when Tesla does 6x more.
Why is 50 miles all electric a joke? The average commute in the US is 32 miles a day. That means someone who bought the X5 45e could commute all week without using any gas (and still have 390hp/440lb-ft on tap). That seems pretty good to me. Most people don't think of the X5 as a commuter car...but now you would be able to use it as one without having to worry about dealing with gas. I'm sure for some people this is appealing! If you don't want it...then buy the 40i or 50i.

BMW's iNEXT cars will compete with Tesla. In order to compete with Tesla you need an all new platform, not a platform designed primarily for gas/diesel engines like the X5.
Another example would be my girlfriend. She definitely doesn't drive anyplace close to 50 miles a day (more like 5-10). Yet she could occasionally drive from Metro NY to Oklahoma City (1300 Miles) to visit her family without ever even thinking about charging. The other part of this is her parents live in a condo in OKC and can't provide charging while she stays with them. So for long trips it would act like a conventional vehicle, yet act like an EV for her everyday use.
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Let's face it. This is BMW's Prius. It's a Dino that makes u feel good but it just doesn't make sense.

Why on earth would u buy a BMW to drive everyday using the battery in all electric and the entire I6 (which is basically the front third of the car) just sits there 'just in case' I mean talk about waste...

And it's slower than the 40i. So u pay more for a slower car. You don't really save the world since you bought a whole ice just to have it here just in case.
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Let's face it. This is BMW's Prius. It's a Dino that makes u feel good but it just doesn't make sense.

Why on earth would u buy a BMW to drive everyday using the battery in all electric and the entire I6 (which is basically the front third of the car) just sits there 'just in case' I mean talk about waste...

And it's slower than the 40i. So u pay more for a slower car. You don't really save the world since you bought a whole ice just to have it here just in case.

Damn bro! Well put!
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Another example would be my girlfriend. She definitely doesn't drive anyplace close to 50 miles a day (more like 5-10). Yet she could occasionally drive from Metro NY to Oklahoma City (1300 Miles) to visit her family without ever even thinking about charging. The other part of this is her parents live in a condo in OKC and can't provide charging while she stays with them. So for long trips it would act like a conventional vehicle, yet act like an EV for her everyday use.

The 40i or 50i is not even an option for me to consider. The option is full electric or this thing, the castrated electric car with big engine, i.e. 45e. No, its not a commute car, neither is a tesla.

You guys bring this comparison havent had a 50mile range car, have you? I have. I can tell you what that looks like. Range anxiety on daily. You dont always charge the car every day. Winter? Switch off your AC or youll run out of juice. Power? Declines exponentially. You dont always have that option to charge it everywhere. It takes hours to charge, you know. This is a joke because Tesla is making cars since 2009, Prius since early 2000s. And now BMW sells you a 100k car and gives you 50mil range, and you just defend its engine longevity and gobble it up... Are you kidding me? What engine longevity? Have you seen the 550i forums. Here is uncomfortable truth. BMW never had engine longevity - its got performance, it drives very well, it has a decent design and interior, and dollar for dollar it offers a great package. When it gets old, it still drives, and somewhat keeps value versus some other cars (US or European made). When in warranty of course....

BMW needs to produce 400 mile electric car today, not push off the moment they need to retool their factories as far into future as possible, but lead with more than the i3. Which broke down on me twice, btw. Other opinions mate. They do exist. Their efforts to date in electric are pathetic. Imagine they actually invested into making better batteries instead of selling you mood lighting in the interior and making cringey movies about "m - town". Wtf.
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Another example would be my girlfriend. She definitely doesn't drive anyplace close to 50 miles a day (more like 5-10). Yet she could occasionally drive from Metro NY to Oklahoma City (1300 Miles) to visit her family without ever even thinking about charging. The other part of this is her parents live in a condo in OKC and can't provide charging while she stays with them. So for long trips it would act like a conventional vehicle, yet act like an EV for her everyday use.
You guys bring this comparison havent had a 50mile range car, have you? I have. I can tell you what that looks like. Range anxiety on daily. You dont always charge the car every day. You dont always have that option everywhere. It takes hours to charge, you know.
Um- this isn't a 50 mile range car. That's the point... As long as there is a gas station around you have a near-unlimited range vehicle and zero range anxiety. Plus you can use this vehicle for long trips without planning your route around lengthy charging stops.
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Um- this isn't a 50 mile range car. That's the point... As long as there is a gas station around you have a near-unlimited range vehicle and zero range anxiety. Plus you can use this vehicle for long trips without planning your route around lengthy charging stops.
Exactly. How can you have range anxiety with a plug-in hybrid? LOL. The 45e will probably have a range of 400+ miles on a tank of gas + electric. And no worry ever of being stranded without a charging station nearby.
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