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      03-25-2019, 08:37 AM   #177
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official figures are never accurate, BMW is far too conservative with their numbers just like rated HP/torque. I trust C&D since I've always matched their times or done better myself
Absolutely. We had a thread on the G05 section on how hard certain modern performance/muscle cars had to work to get under 5 seconds 0-60mph in the real world. Owners would work the entire day to get under 5 seconds.
On the flip side, it was comical how easily we were ripping off low 4 seconds in the 50i M-Sport pretty much at will, any time. It became obvious that some manufactures were not using off the production floor vehicles to get their reported performance times. BMW and Porsche are two manufactures that are overly conservative the other way. 30 years of 911’s and track events have shown I could beat vehicles I shouldn’t be able to by the manufactures performance specs.
This is why I think real world BMW 650hp should be able to take top performance SUV. Transmission is just as important as engine and BMW has the shift times down to perfection.
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It is an interesting time indeed in performance car world. For seasoned track drivers and performance enthusiasts - it is the last splash of HP wars and petrol car excitement before EV world takes over.

The number of vehicles at 500+ HP is amazing. Most of it is in US since Europe is tightening regulations.
Another shift is - super High performance SUVs - which is counter intuitive to true drivers inclinations - More weight requires even more HP to move it, bigger, stronger parts to sustain that HP and braking/cornering forces which in turn adds more weight. All wheel drive, auto gear boxes to deal with all this weight.

Also I would say - the pool of people looking or these cars is limited too. It is enthusiast with high incomes to afford 120K cars.

Which way will they go? even though I'm tempted to get 650HP SUV - but i still prefer light , maneuverable track cars with manual gear boxes. So i'm going Porshe 911/ BMW M2 way for my performance car
And stick with reasonably powerful and comfortable family mover/towing vehicle.
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Looks promising so far!!

Info on X5M (F95) from the F95/F96 specs / spy pics thread: https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1404345
  1. Powered by the F90 M5's S63 engine
  2. May receive a very small power bump over the F90 M5's 600 HP
  3. Production will begin in 2019 as a 2020 model year (in US)
  4. Same M xDrive system and 8 speed automatic as the F90 M5
  5. Competition model will feature more power than standard model

Blue and silver pics posted by @AndroidRobot
F95 X5M Competition Leaked


THE X6M is just
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      03-25-2019, 09:14 AM   #180
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100% agree, some car companies we advertise the absolute best time possible in best conditions while others (like BMW) usually advertise expected results in average conditions with an average driver... the difference could be big (like on M5). Porsche is also like BMW while most US companies will advertise super low times even times testers can't duplicate.
Exactly, even on a bad day, I can beat their estimated times such as when it's wet, cold (on summer tires => less traction) etc. This is why C&D is good because their times usually indicate real-world stuff that I can verify on my own and have in the past; I've actually beaten their times before so this thing will be fast.
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Probably going to be in the minority in saying I dig the new x6m but oh well
I got your back chief. I like it also, even though that's probably a photoshop from the x4m...
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Bmw needs to worry about Porsche
Just got new Cayenne Coupe that looks sick
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It is an interesting time indeed in performance car world. For seasoned track drivers and performance enthusiasts - it is the last splash of HP wars and petrol car excitement before EV world takes over.

The number of vehicles at 500+ HP is amazing. Most of it is in US since Europe is tightening regulations.
Another shift is - super High performance SUVs - which is counter intuitive to true drivers inclinations - More weight requires even more HP to move it, bigger, stronger parts to sustain that HP and braking/cornering forces which in turn adds more weight. All wheel drive, auto gear boxes to deal with all this weight.

Also I would say - the pool of people looking or these cars is limited too. It is enthusiast with high incomes to afford 120K cars.

Which way will they go? even though I'm tempted to get 650HP SUV - but i still prefer light , maneuverable track cars with manual gear boxes. So i'm going Porshe 911/ BMW M2 way for my performance car
And stick with reasonably powerful and comfortable family mover/towing vehicle.
Great post...and very true.

I'm the type who prefers to have an X5 50i with a full comfort-oriented air suspension as my daily/family hauler, and my Carrera S in the garage for my weekend toy.

If I could have only one vehicle however, for whatever reason, I would consider an X5m, Cayenne Turbo, etc.

For me though, at my age, as much as I love cars like the X5m, etc., the ride is just too punishing to drive daily on Michigan roads with my kids
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Good point. But imo X6M is no match for Cayenne coupe this time.
Yes, obviously the X6 M will be no match for the Cayenne Coupe. Like you I can confidently express this opinion based on the single leaked photo of the rear end and zero specs we have about it. 🙄
Personally I like X5 M more than Cayenne. It's more muscle more aggressive. But in terms of SUV coupe, Cayenne Coupe looks better imo. Just talking about styling here
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BTW, do you know the expected SOP of this new x5M? Wife is bugging me about getting another. She misses the one she had before (E70).
X5 model switch over is usually each August, but as I recall the 2015 F85/F86 SOP was 12/14 with a regular SOP of 1/15. The X7/G07 had a significant gap from December 2017 (pre-production model photos/press release) until March 1, 2019 when production models were released. My gut feeling is latter this year (November-December 2019), as the M8 still needs to come to market (8 series was released prior to the G05). The X5 M50i still needs to be released, which would expect to occur when the model year changes over August 2019. I saw F95 test mules making rounds in Arjeplog last month, so there is still ongoing testing.
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Great post...and very true.

I'm the type who prefers to have an X5 50i with a full comfort-oriented air suspension as my daily/family hauler, and my Carrera S in the garage for my weekend toy.

If I could have only one vehicle however, for whatever reason, I would consider an X5m, Cayenne Turbo, etc.

For me though, at my age, as much as I love cars like the X5m, etc., the ride is just too punishing to drive daily on Michigan roads with my kids
We are the same. I want/need luxury with my performance in my SUV. I have a vehicle for every need from truck to performance car. My 911 C4S will never be replaced at what it does. SUV is a compromise by definition and it cant be expected to do everything perfectly. God forbid I had to consolidate 5 vehicles, I still couldn't do the X5M as its tires and stiff ride cant get my family from Pa to Florida and back every year in the winter months. Here is the rub for me with a ultimate performance SUV. A single guy in a warm weather state that needs room, then the X5M is a great daily driver. A car in its largest form is not even close to the room of a X5. I tried with a A8 and a trunk doesnt swallow enough luggage for a serious road trip.
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Official Announcement coming soon perhaps? I sure hope this shows up for MY 2020.
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Official Announcement coming soon perhaps? I sure hope this shows up for MY 2020.
The M8 was leaked a while ago and still no official announcement.
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THE X6M is just
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Looks awesome! It's a shame they didn't give a similar exterior treatment to the X3M and X4M.
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Looks awesome! It's a shame they didn't give a similar exterior treatment to the X3M and X4M.
X3/4M aren't the flagship ///M SAV that's why. The X5/6M will always get better aesthetics just like the M5
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X3/4M aren't the flagship ///M SAV that's why. The X5/6M will always get better aesthetics just like the M5
The X5 is the original and really the optimum size of the SAV platform and why it has become a legend in the BMW history book. The X7 is a necessity the way the market has gone but is outside the BMW wheelhouse of how they design. There is a reason Germans haven’t done people haulers for decades. I think BMW will own the luxury SUV market in all 4 sizes.
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X3/4M aren't the flagship ///M SAV that's why. The X5/6M will always get better aesthetics just like the M5
Except the F80 looks better than the F90 and the G80 probably will too. Subjective, I know. M5s have traditionally always been understated in the aesthetic department compared to the M3s. So, the new X5M being more aggressive than the X3M is an outlier, not the norm. Of course, this is the first X3M so there's that...
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The X5 is the original and really the optimum size of the SAV platform and why it has become a legend in the BMW history book. The X7 is a necessity the way the market has gone but is outside the BMW wheelhouse of how they design. There is a reason Germans haven’t done people haulers for decades. I think BMW will own the luxury SUV market in all 4 sizes.
Yeah, BMW started the luxury SUV trend for the Germans. They pretty much do given the G01 X3's success and how well the X5 has been historically.


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Except the F80 looks better than the F90 and the G80 probably will too. Subjective, I know. M5s have traditionally always been understated in the aesthetic department compared to the M3s. So, the new X5M being more aggressive than the X3M is an outlier, not the norm. Of course, this is the first X3M so there's that...
Personally, I like the F90 Comp over the F80 from the front, rear of the F80 looks better sans its exhaust.
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So it looks like ZCP comes with the M Performance steering wheel but no carbon fiber on the wheel trim. I might be mistaken though, it could just be the blurriness of the photo.
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So it looks like ZCP comes with the M Performance steering wheel but no carbon fiber on the wheel trim. I might be mistaken though, it could just be the blurriness of the photo.
I see the same ZCP buttons so yes, looks just like my G05 except the obvious center spoke cutout send M1/2 buttons + alcantara
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considering you have at most 8 months before launch times not on your side
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