[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Pushing back and hard resistance to technological change is indeed a fools game.

If the climate controls are causing so much consternation some folks will a really have a hissy fit over the Gesture Controls.

[jaxdtw2196]

The needless complexity of BMW climate control has always baffled me right from my first E90... The hot/cold adjustments, "auto" that really isnt "auto", etc.. My 2004 Crown Vic commuter car has simpler climate control. Hit "automatic" and select the temperature you want. Why is this so hard for BMW to figure out? Less is more.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by jaxdtw2196

The needless complexity of BMW climate control has always baffled me right from my first E90... The hot/cold adjustments, "auto" that really isnt "auto", etc.. My 2004 Crown Vic commuter car has simpler climate control. Hit "automatic" and select the temperature you want. Why is this so hard for BMW to figure out? Less is more.

I set 72* and Auto 3.5 months ago in my X6 LCI and haven't changed a thing as it works perfectly just as it did in M50i.
It really could not possibly be any easier.

[FLYZ]

Am I the only one who sees a little irony in the fact that BMW has tried to make the interior look "simplified" by moving all of the controls into iDrive, but they discover by doing so, the interior looks too plain. They now feel the need to add a bunch of extra affectations like the obnoxious <<<<<|||||/////>>>>> X5.

Why not just leave the simplified instrument binacle like they had on the pre-LCI models, so you don't have to make up decorations that don't need to be there? Keeping climate control, radio presets and seat heating buttons seems so basic and common sense to me.

[Heavyd]

Why? I like this over my 45e.
Nice clean modern look. I even don’t notice the <<<<<>>>>> X5 crap.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by FLYZ

Am I the only one who sees a little irony in the fact that BMW has tried to make the interior look "simplified" by moving all of the controls into iDrive, but they discover by doing so, the interior looks too plain. They now feel the need to add a bunch of extra affectations like the obnoxious <<<<<|||||/////>>>>> X5.

Why not just leave the simplified instrument binacle like they had on the pre-LCI models, so you don't have to make up decorations that don't need to be there? Keeping climate control, radio presets and seat heating buttons seems so basic and common sense to me.

Keep your 4 yr old X5 if the new LCI is that much of a problem for you.
Nice of you and a couple other non owners to tell the LCI buyers here what a stupid purchase they have made.
If taking a dump on guys enjoying their new vehicles gives you pleasure then the problem is likely not the 2024 X5.

[hotvee]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Why? I like this over my 45e.
Nice clean modern look. I even don’t notice the <<<<<>>>>> X5 crap.

Yes, it does look clean. Modern? Debatable, matter of taste. But clean and modern does not necessarily mean usable and convenient. BMW didn't try to achieve both. They just cut corners in attempt to make more profit after covid with spiked inflation, as well as satisfy Asian markets trying to follow their screen-only trends. They could come up with more sophisticated solution to satisfy both kinds of customers, but they preferred to cheat. But I'm glad that other automakers, like MB, Porsche or LR didn't follow this way.

Yes, there are people who like it and I can understand that, but it doesn't mean that it works for all. Just because some people don’t have problems with the new design doesn’t mean that others don’t and shouldn’t have them.

Typical Chinese car cabin:

[JohnRoth]

Just wanted to share my experience with BMWs. I've been a proud owner of quite a few over the years. It all started with a classic 1967 1800, and then I got hooked on 2002s, owning a total of 20. In the 1980s, I had a few classics like the 528e, 735i, and a 325 convertible. More recently, I've been driving a modern lineup, including the F10 M5, F10 535, a 2020 G05 X5 40i M-sport, and I just picked up a 2023 LCI 330i M-Sport.

Speaking of the 330i M-Sport, I'm loving the new technology in this car. There's really nothing I don't like about it, and I'd rate it a solid 9 out of 10. It's been quite the journey with BMW, and this latest addition has been a real delight.

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by hotvee

Yes, it does look clean. Modern? Debatable, matter of taste. But clean and modern does not necessarily mean usable and convenient. BMW didn't try to achieve both. They just cut corners in attempt to make more profit after covid with spiked inflation, as well as satisfy Asian markets trying to follow their screen-only trends. They could come up with more sophisticated solution to satisfy both kinds of customers, but they preferred to cheat. But I'm glad that other automakers, like MB, Porsche or LR didn't follow this way.

Yes, there are people who like it and I can understand that, but it doesn't mean that it works for all. Just because some people don’t have problems with the new design doesn’t mean that others don’t and shouldn’t have them.

Typical Chinese car cabin:

I even find it usable and convenient...

The people that have problems with it don't own and use the car

What's typical chinese? It looks almost like American Tesla

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by hotvee

They just cut corners in attempt to make more profit after covid with spiked inflation,

You do realize that the interior was designed well before any inflation spikes?

In fact the first vehicles using OS 8 were the i4 and iX which started production in 2021 so their interior was probably designed in what ... 2017? 2018?

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

You do realize that the interior was designed well before any inflation spikes?

In fact the first vehicles using OS 8 were the i4 and iX which started production in 2021 so their interior was probably designed in what ... 2017? 2018?

Someone from BMW told me once that what hit the streets was developed/designed +/- 5 years ago.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Someone from BMW told me once that what hit the streets was developed/designed +/- 5 years ago.

Probably something like that.
The significantly expanded LCD screens are rapidly becoming the industry standard as anyone who pays attention to modern vehicles can cleary see.
I watched a similar change occur in aviation with the brief transition period to "integrated glass panels" that many of the old guard at the time said would never ever last and the manufacturers would return to old style guages. Never happened there and won't happen here.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Keep your 4 yr old X5 if the new LCI is that much of a problem for you.
Nice of you and a couple other non owners to tell the LCI buyers here what a stupid purchase they have made.
If taking a dump on guys enjoying their new vehicles gives you pleasure then the problem is likely not the 2024 X5.

I'm one of the non LCI owners to which you refer. I don't think you made a stupid purchase at all. Clearly you like it and you are passionate about your new ride and cars in general. I'd say you are are car guy for sure.

Here's the issue as I see it: You are on the G05/G06 forum that started back in 2019. There are a bunch of us here that have been on this forum for a long time and we talk freely about what we like and don't like about our G05s and G06s. The LCI introduced some changes that significantly change the car/driver interface. Removing buttons is not evolutionary, it's revolutionary. Adding the "X5 crap" to the interior is completely new and different for BMW. Without a doubt, there is going to be discussion about these changes. That is what this forum is all about.

I'm pretty sure you know this already but here it goes. This is a G05 forum, not a G05 LCI forum. If the LCI being discussed were a new generation, it would have it's own forum. If that were the case, I don't think there would be so many posts from pre-LCI owners. Then I would completely agree that to go on that new forum and piss on the LCI changes would be tacky and I, for one, would never do it. However, this is our forum too and it's about the G05.

Car guys have been debating design changes since the very first car. That's not changing. Please don't feel badly that somebody else doesn't like some of the LCI changes. We will either come around or we won't. That doesn't change your car or the sensibility of your purchase decision at all. You like it. You bought it. That's what matters.

Enjoy your ride. All the best.

[swainbmw]

Originally Posted by Guy Fleegman

And some manufacturers can't DO progress very well. "New" doesn't always equal "better."

Quibi
New Coke
Edsel
Windows Vista
Google Glass
The Newton
USFL
Trump University
AOL/Time Warner
Lisa
FTX
The Godfather III

I actually have a 22X5 I don’t think I’ll be buying the new one aesthetically. I don’t think this looks good in the car and I’m not so sure I want something layered in a screen to use day-to-day.

[X6ix GTA]

In my view, BMW is doing what the market wants. Most people get fascinated by large touch screen without giving usability a thought. I like the buttons on my pre LCI and enjoyed the touchscreen on a recent loaner. Came across this recent statement by the BMW CEO.

"BMW CEO Oliver Zipse has stated that within 10 years, the huge screens will be back under control. Maybe because people will realize they are not needed, or the powers that be will understand that they are not safe. Either way, the executives at BMW feel strongly that they will be a thing of the past."

https://www.topspeed.com/cars-with-t...creens/#bmw-i7

[biterror]

Originally Posted by six

I will say that the ambiance in the cabin is impacted and it does now feel a bit more low rent with the loss of the little screen for climate, the buttons and the ambient lighting. But it is easier to keep clean

A touch screen is never easier to keep clean than physical buttons (unless they're painted in piano black).

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by X6ix GTA

"BMW CEO Oliver Zipse has stated that within 10 years, the huge screens will be back under control. Maybe because people will realize they are not needed, or the powers that be will understand that they are not safe. Either way, the executives at BMW feel strongly that they will be a thing of the past."

It might make sense to add the context of Zipse saying this in light of BMW shifting most of the information from the center screen to a new/bigger HUD (which I think is a GREAT idea) and not because they are planning to go back to smaller screens or physical buttons. So he feels it is safer to display the same amount of information further up so the driver can see the road in his peripheral view while focusing on the information.

Almost similar to how you can see a lot more of the road in your peripheral view when looking at the touchscreen in the middle than the HVAC controls beneath it ...

The Head-Up Display will be paired with a five-step selection system enabling the driver to pick what they want to see across their windshield. This is yet another simplification stripping the car of distractions and unnecessary knobs and buttons.

Ouch.

[swainbmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

If the climate controls are causing so much consternation some folks will a really have a hissy fit over the Gesture Controls.

A total worthless option not worth paying for. It’s just easier to use the buttons on the steering wheel. If you’re ordering a car, don’t bother if it’s free it’s fine just like the self parking not worth paying for you’ll never use it. It’s sad. We’ve reached an error where everything is gimmicky.

[cobramite]

I've used a small microfiber towel that I keep in the door pocket to wipe the screen which I have done twice(I think) in 3.5 months and it takes a matter of seconds. That is verging on zero maintenance.

[swainbmw]

Originally Posted by cobramite

I set 72* and Auto 3.5 months ago in my X6 LCI and haven't changed a thing as it works perfectly just as it did in M50i.
It really could not possibly be any easier.

That would never work for me. The heating systems in the BMW are the worst when you need the air there’s no air when you need heat you gotta readjust so I would be up and down with the temperature control constantly need physical buttons.

[swainbmw]

Originally Posted by hotvee

Yes, it does look clean. Modern? Debatable, matter of taste. But clean and modern does not necessarily mean usable and convenient. BMW didn't try to achieve both. They just cut corners in attempt to make more profit after covid with spiked inflation, as well as satisfy Asian markets trying to follow their screen-only trends. They could come up with more sophisticated solution to satisfy both kinds of customers, but they preferred to cheat. But I'm glad that other automakers, like MB, Porsche or LR didn't follow this way.

Yes, there are people who like it and I can understand that, but it doesn't mean that it works for all. Just because some people don’t have problems with the new design doesn’t mean that others don’t and shouldn’t have them.

Typical Chinese car cabin:

I totally agree they can keep it.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by swainbmw

That would never work for me. The heating systems in the BMW are the worst when you need the air there’s no air when you need heat you gotta readjust so I would be up and down with the temperature control constantly need physical buttons.

LOL.
I have yet to touch a fan speed control in this LCI but we also have no need for heat here in South Florida. Have never turned on heat in any of our cars or home system living here over 5 years.

The LCI "AUTO" setting for maintaing 72* in this tropical type environment with AC is outstanding IMHO.