MSS Spring - The 4x4 days are almost over!!!

xmanpro · 03-15-2021, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

I am still looking for it.
The one that I used was from some extra shims laying around from Wilwood brake kit.

noice!

Aliabd91 · 03-15-2021, 09:56 PM

Yesterday I took my car to a BMW Service, and the guy told me that BMW os already aware about the sway bar and gap issue.

ed4 · 03-16-2021, 12:43 PM

A little late to the MSS party, but finally she's arrived. Albeit fashionably late, but wearing an Akrapovic diffuser.

A million thanks to Ben & RG Sport!

xmanpro · 03-16-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ed4

A little late to the MSS party, but finally she's arrived. Albeit fashionably late, but wearing an Akrapovic diffuser.

A million thanks to Ben & RG Sport!

Beautiful

QF8 · 03-16-2021, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ed4

A little late to the MSS party, but finally she's arrived. Albeit fashionably late, but wearing an Akrapovic diffuser.

A million thanks to Ben & RG Sport!

Lovely machine you've got there ED. Be proud.

ed4 · 03-16-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by QF8

Lovely machine you've got there ED. Be proud.

Thank you Brett - back at you too!

hybrid_eg · 03-16-2021, 06:24 PM

perfect stance!

evanaswan · 03-17-2021, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hybrid_eg

perfect stance!

So haven't had noise prior to mms or after. Build is 11/20 should I be requesting BMW put on the new sway bar and shim for safety and piece of kind.

ed4 · 03-17-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by evanaswan

So haven't had noise prior to mms or after. Build is 11/20 should I be requesting BMW put on the new sway bar and shim for safety and piece of kind.

Mine is also an 11/20 build. Same solution proposed by my dealer.

By the way, my installer got rid of my rear knocking noises, as of 3 days of decent and varied driving.

2thdr · 03-18-2021, 09:33 AM

Jus wanted to share my experience. Had the MSS installed and was pretty good for a few weeks and then the knocking sound started. Not too frequent, but perceivable. In discussion with Ben, we torqued the one bolt to the recommended setting. Of note, this was done with the vehicle on a lift with the wheels hanging, unsupported. I actually noticed that things were slightly worse for me and that I could induce the knock sound by simply giving aggressive throttle and transferring the vehicle weight to the rear axle.

I discussed this with Ben and he gave me a recommendation to consider tightening something else. He has a diagram of the suspension blown up into invidividual parts. My best friend is the shop owner and he, at the same time, told me that he thought that it may be better to support the wheels while the vehicle is on the lift. He also mentioned the first time he tightened the wheel, he left the splash guards on and used an extender on the torque wrench. He mentioned that it was not the ideal way to do it and if the noise did not go away, that he would take the splash guards off and also makes sure the wheels are supported.

Net result...been driving for a week post tightening with this protocol and I have absolutely no knocking sounds from the sway bar under cornering, braking, aggressive acceleration. I cannot say whether it was the single bolt tightening or the additional ones that Ben recommended to me based on my observations, but so far...no issues. Hope this info helps those of us who have been experiencing this issue.

ed4 · 03-18-2021, 06:22 PM

His insights, communications and great support is why I also buy from Ben & RG Sport

r33_RGSport · 03-18-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ed4

His insights, communications and great support is why I also buy from Ben & RG Sport

Mo2002 · 03-18-2021, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ed4

His insights, communications and great support is why I also buy from Ben & RG Sport

I agree. This was my first time buying from him. He's always willing to help and answer any questions.

ed4 · 03-18-2021, 09:02 PM

Ben, how easy (or hard) will it be to drop the rear w/ the neoprene sleeve over the collars? Right now, I'm at the max drop up front, and 10mm from the lowest in the rear.

Some pics from my installation, while I waited. Interestingly, there's an F95 prefix to whatever that number correlates to, near the upper right of the label.

Thank goodness, for my sake, I tip well, since I was in the way of the work numerous times

Mo2002 · 03-18-2021, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ed4

Ben, how easy (or hard) will it be to drop the rear w/ the neoprene sleeve over the collars? Right now, I'm at the max drop up front, and 10mm from the lowest in the rear.

Some pics from my installation, while I waited. Interestingly, there's an F95 prefix to whatever that number correlates to, near the upper right of the label.

Thank goodness, for my sake, I tip well, since I was in the way of the work numerous times

It's funny you ask that. I spoke to Ben earlier today about the same exact thing. He told me it will be very difficult to adjust the rears with the neoprene sleeves. The easiest way to do it is to take apart the rear, adjust it and reinstall.
I'll let Ben elaborate more on this.

r33_RGSport · 03-18-2021, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo2002

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Originally Posted by ed4

Ben, how easy (or hard) will it be to drop the rear w/ the neoprene sleeve over the collars? Right now, I'm at the max drop up front, and 10mm from the lowest in the rear.

Some pics from my installation, while I waited. Interestingly, there's an F95 prefix to whatever that number correlates to, near the upper right of the label.

Thank goodness, for my sake, I tip well, since I was in the way of the work numerous times

It's funny you ask that. I spoke to Ben earlier today about the same exact thing. He told me it will be very difficult to adjust the rears with the neoprene sleeves. The easiest way to do it is to take apart the rear, adjust it and reinstall.
I'll let Ben elaborate more on this.

Exactly.

Alan l. · 03-18-2021, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ed4

Ben, how easy (or hard) will it be to drop the rear w/ the neoprene sleeve over the collars? Right now, I'm at the max drop up front, and 10mm from the lowest in the rear.

Some pics from my installation, while I waited. Interestingly, there's an F95 prefix to whatever that number correlates to, near the upper right of the label.

Thank goodness, for my sake, I tip well, since I was in the way of the work numerous times

You want to go lower? I wouldn't suggest it since Ben already said you will end up riding on the bump stops (aka no strut travel). Also I think suv's looks weird when the rear is lower than the front by too much. Looks like its got a droopy butt. Imagine if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk too....

MrItaly · 03-18-2021, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan l.

You want to go lower? I wouldn't suggest it since Ben already said you will end up riding on the bump stops (aka no strut travel). Also I think suv's looks weird when the rear is lower than the front by too much. Looks like its got a droopy butt. Imagine if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk too....

Cool thing about mss is you can decide how much lower you go. In my case, I decided to drop it just an inch, which will keep me off the bump stops, and you can dial it in to maintain the factory rake, which I plan to keep. I'm a fan of lowering to a degree. Not to mention, our wheel gap is killimg me, more than my F97. When I rolled up on the gate guards in my 1" lowered F97, the guards didn't even recognize it (debadged). They'd ask me what it was and said they'd never seen this model before. Opinions vary, and I'm cool with that, but since we can't get sportwagons here in the States, a lowered X is the next best thing in my opinion. I won't take mine off road nor do I care to.

ed4 · 03-19-2021, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan l.

You want to go lower? I wouldn't suggest it since Ben already said you will end up riding on the bump stops (aka no strut travel). Also I think suv's looks weird when the rear is lower than the front by too much. Looks like its got a droopy butt. Imagine if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk too....

Look at my picture of the car in front of the Korean restaurant. Looks like I have about 3 inches of positive rake, and the extra 1cm drop would even things out nicely.

r33_RGSport · 03-19-2021, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ed4

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Originally Posted by Alan l.

You want to go lower? I wouldn't suggest it since Ben already said you will end up riding on the bump stops (aka no strut travel). Also I think suv's looks weird when the rear is lower than the front by too much. Looks like its got a droopy butt. Imagine if you have a lot of stuff in the trunk too....

Look at my picture of the car in front of the Korean restaurant. Looks like I have about 3 inches of positive rake, and the extra 1cm drop would even things out nicely.

You just got it installed. Wait for it to settle.

hdahman · 03-23-2021, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ed4

Mine is also an 11/20 build. Same solution proposed by my dealer.

By the way, my installer got rid of my rear knocking noises, as of 3 days of decent and varied driving.

Didn't follow! did you just say your dealer suggested changing the sway bar? is it an issue with some builds? mine was 11/20 build as well
thanks

ed4 · 03-23-2021, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hdahman

Didn't follow! did you just say your dealer suggested changing the sway bar? is it an issue with some builds? mine was 11/20 build as well
thanks

Didn't follow what?

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ed4 Captain 1368 Rep 732 Posts Drives: '21 F96 X6MC, '18 G30 M550i Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: New York, NY iTrader: (1)	Ben, how easy (or hard) will it be to drop the rear w/ the neoprene sleeve over the collars? Right now, I'm at the max drop up front, and 10mm from the lowest in the rear. Some pics from my installation, while I waited. Interestingly, there's an F95 prefix to whatever that number correlates to, near the upper right of the label. Thank goodness, for my sake, I tip well, since I was in the way of the work numerous times Attached Images __________________ '23 F93 M8 GC ZCP - HRE S101SC - Full Akrapovic - '15 Audi R8 4.2 S-Tronic (Past) YouTube '21 F96 X6M ZCP Akrapovic/MSS/BC Forged, ‘18 G30 M550i, '18 G01 X3 M40i, '15 F10 M5 ZCP HRE S101 #1 & #2/Akrapovic, ‘13 W204 C63 AMG - ADV1 5.01SL's
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