[e45_440]

Brought my ‘23 X5 45e with 20” M-sport 740 wheels for 10k miles service. When I enquired about tire rotation, SA looked at me condescendingly and said he had not heard of such a request in his 22 yrs of service!

Do the Pirellis on a BMW have “my poopy don’t stink” add-on? Just asking

Ironically, the only recommendation after the service was a wheel alignment due to uneven wear!! ✌️

[jad03060]

A good portion of BMWs come with staggered tire sets, so rotation, maybe even side-to-side may not work well (if directional tires).

But, if you have a square set, no, you're not crazy, rotating the tires can help them last longer. The only big thing to keep in mind is the relative wear on the tires...the rears do tend to wear faster than the fronts, but some of that also depends on how good your alignment is.

Personally, I have a square set on mine and a winter and summer set, so I purposely move them around each tire change.

[LDT]

Mine are staggered and directional so can’t be rotated. The real answer to your question is that the dealer makes more $$ on alignment.

[eelnoraa]

Most bmw sold are NOT stagger. I think the real reason is just cost. If bmw said rotation is needed, they will need to cover this for 4 years before, 3 years for now.

The proper way to do rotation even for square set up is not just to swap wheel, balance should be check, rebalance is needed. So there is some cost it

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Yea cost.

Btw if you live near discount tire / American tire (they call it in CA) they are likely to rotate and check balance for you for free even you had OEM tire not sold by them, especially if you have bought tires from them before.

They are mostly competent at mounting / in mounting and balacing the wheel, however they sometimes forget to swap (inflate / deflate) front and rear tire pressure.

[TurtleBoy]

When I get a vehicle, or new set of tires from BMW, I buy the tire balancing and rotation services from Discount Tire. For about $100, I get balancing and rotation for the life of the tire just as if I bought the tire from them. I get it done every 5k miles. They also have an add-on where you can get road hazard coverage.

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

Most bmw sold are NOT stagger.

The descriptor was a good portion, not most. I don't know if any of the OEM ones are directional, but if they are, that would require remounting them to work properly. Yes, it comes down to cost. BMW does not pay for new tires under warranty based on wear, so it's cheaper for them. For someone leasing, it may also mean the dealer may not be on the hook for new tires for their new customer. Depending on the actual tire that's on your vehicle, you may have a tire manufacturer's warranty for some things.

[ScaldedDog]

I think it's a cost/demographic thing, which several have alluded to. It does take extra time and occupies a lift bay, even if only for a few minutes, and there's no benefit to BMW, and only marginal benefit for owners/lessees. I don't know the stats, but I suspect most X5's are traded/returned well before the tires have worn out, rotated or not.

FWIW, I just rotated ours last week at 6K, and they all showed the same wear, which was not much. We (she) drive(s) this thing easy, though.

Mark

[LDT]

Originally Posted by jad03060

I don't know if any of the OEM ones are directional

My OEM 22's are directional.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by LDT

My OEM 22's are directional.

Mine too, and stagerred. Looks cool.
Relieves us from rotating.

[LDT]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Mine too, and stagerred. Looks cool.
Relieves us from rotating.

Yep. Somebody needs to do a little studying (jad) b4 speaking.

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The descriptor was a good portion, not most. I don't know if any of the OEM ones are directional, but if they are, that would require remounting them to work properly. Yes, it comes down to cost. BMW does not pay for new tires under warranty based on wear, so it's cheaper for them. For someone leasing, it may also mean the dealer may not be on the hook for new tires for their new customer. Depending on the actual tire that's on your vehicle, you may have a tire manufacturer's warranty for some things.

Depending on how much treadwear is left at lease return, there is typically a fee. It’s difficult to sell a 3 year old car with no decent treadwear left.
When I last leased, the fee was less than new tires, so I drove with bald tires for a couple months 😇

Makes one realize how much margin there must be on tires and replacing one.

[eelnoraa]

Stagger is a different story. But like I said, most bmw out on the street are not stagger.

As long as setup is square, rotation is possible because no street tire is both directional and asymmetrical. Just difference procedure for directional vs asymmetric , neither require remount.

For asymmetric tiles tires, even stagger can rotate. Just left and right swap. Not idea, not still rotatable.

Asymmetric vs directional is really not much difference. BMW use to allow both as oem, so depend on the factory location, you may get one or the other.

[LDT]

Originally Posted by CeEl

Depending on how much treadwear is left at lease return, there is typically a fee. It’s difficult to sell a 3 year old car with no decent treadwear left.
When I last leased, the fee was less than new tires, so I drove with bald tires for a couple months 😇

Makes one realize how much margin there must be on tires and replacing one.

Agree, however, at lease end, if you are buying or leasing a new BMW all is forgiven such as tires and excess mileage.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by LDT

Yep. Somebody needs to do a little studying (jad) b4 speaking.

That is for sure.

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by cobramite

That is for sure.

It seems it depends on which brand tire you end up with on staggered sets...some are directional, some are not. What I tried to indicate was that if they are directional, you can't just move the assembly around to the other side of the vehicle, which, if you do want to, adds to the cost of remounting them the other way around.

[Qsilver7]

Rotating tires between the axles is in the owners manual.

The 1st pic below was from my e38 7 series owners manual...and the 2nd pic is from the PDF version of the G05 X5:

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by LDT

Agree, however, at lease end, if you are buying or leasing a new BMW all is forgiven such as tires and excess mileage.

Yes, good point. In my case, I didn’t lease a new BMW.

[LDT]

Originally Posted by CeEl

Yes, good point. In my case, I didn’t lease a new BMW.

Understood. I typically go with the same brand twice and switch it up the third time. But at soon to be age 75….how many more cycles do I have? ☎️👴

[tooloud10]

Originally Posted by LDT

Agree, however, at lease end, if you are buying or leasing a new BMW all is forgiven such as tires and excess mileage.

I mean, they may say that, but you’re paying for it one way or another. They’re definitely not eating excess miles, they’re just not offering you the same discount as if your mileage was under the allowable.

[LDT]

Originally Posted by tooloud10

I mean, they may say that, but you’re paying for it one way or another. They’re definitely not eating excess miles, they’re just not offering you the same discount as if your mileage was under the allowable.

Understood. I haven’t leased since 2017 and my experience was that the dealer knew the residual value which isn’t necessarily what he pays BMWFS. And he has a pretty good idea of what his reconditioning cost will be and what it’ll sell for. BMWFS doesn’t penalize the dealer if he accepts a turn in with excess mileage or non RFT tires knowing it’s going into dealer inventory. Meanwhile he sells me a new BMW and the cycle begins anew.

[rmorin1249]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

Most bmw sold are NOT stagger. I think the real reason is just cost. If bmw said rotation is needed, they will need to cover this for 4 years before, 3 years for now.

The proper way to do rotation even for square set up is not just to swap wheel, balance should be check, rebalance is needed. So there is some cost it

I believe in rotation and when I replaced the tires at Sam's Club I purchased their plan that offers rotation and balance every 6000 miles. Also includes free flat repair for the life of the tire. For only $20/tire they mounted and balanced the tires and activated the services above.