Latest LCI X5 and X6 Info. M60i to Get X5M Engine!

ynguldyn · 03-26-2022, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MoralFiber

If production starts 4/23 when do you have to order to get a facelift? is that for example an order in 10/22 or is it already when you order in 07/22 that you will get a facelift ? When will dealers have access to the first slots ? as the order code for the facelift will be different versus the current model.

Typically the switchover occurs about two months before the SOP so even 10/22 is too soon.

Kriz2fer · 03-26-2022, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by robopp

Very weird. I thought S motors were for real M models only? I guess not anymore.

What constitutes a real m car? Isn’t the engine major part?

cellarrat · 03-26-2022, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev946

I agree but it needs more power and the 50e going to be the one to have and the 45e will devalue. So I'm going to waiting. I'm also happy to pay more for such an hike in power. I know some think thr 45e is fast enough but it didn't blow me away when I tested it probably due to owning much faster cars in the past.

the 45e does 0-60 in 4.7. I can't imagine "needing" more power.

Ibiza · 03-26-2022, 03:37 PM

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So I'm sure this has been mentioned, but will the LCI be designated as a '24? I noticed the EOP for the '22 is 7/22. This would seem to mean the '23 would be in production between 8/22-3/22?

My understanding is '23.

Btw are there rumours of new range or battery size estimates?!

What about new live cockpit?

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Originally Posted by "spuntyb;28728432"

Right, once the LCI is introduced. I mean the M60 is basically the same as a current X5M, at least performance and price-wise. It's a little odd seeing an S motor in there, but I've seen crazier things…

In the turbo era, my hunch is that S motors are engineered first, then they reduce the costs of components to create the N variants. Much more cost efficient. So this move doesn't surprise me at all.

Incorrect, engine always starts out as a N, then handed off to BMW M for the S development. I have been told this 1st hand in Germany by the former lead R&D for the X5M/X6M (now retired).

Ibiza · 03-26-2022, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kriz2fer

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Originally Posted by robopp

Very weird. I thought S motors were for real M models only? I guess not anymore.

What constitutes a real m car? Isn't the engine major part?

Suspension, transmission, higher level interior trim. Different body kit.

PLF69 · 03-26-2022, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by An20Olives

So what I hear is that the actual M cars are now even less special and it's even more of a reason to switch to Porsche. Got it.

I choose my cars because they feel good to drive to me. Not because its rare or because there is X or Y badge on it.

It's just cars they will all end up as piles of dirt some day. If I ever get that CSL allocation I'm putting winter tires on it just to nag you "special car buyers" 😝

bubbahead · 03-26-2022, 04:27 PM

This topic going sideways...

jo2134 · 03-26-2022, 04:54 PM

Who cares whats a "real" type of car or not. Long as you like the car. I'll probably trade in my F95 for an M60i once it's available depending on what options you can spec on it vs the new X5MC

jo2134 · 03-26-2022, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cellarrat

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Originally Posted by Kev946

I agree but it needs more power and the 50e going to be the one to have and the 45e will devalue. So I'm going to waiting. I'm also happy to pay more for such an hike in power. I know some think thr 45e is fast enough but it didn't blow me away when I tested it probably due to owning much faster cars in the past.

the 45e does 0-60 in 4.7. I can't imagine "needing" more power.

4.7 in what world? Its advertised as 5.3 I doubt its over half a second faster than advertised. Its usually .1-.3 seconds quicker

TurtleBoy · 03-26-2022, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jo2134

4.7 in what world? Its advertised as 5.3 I doubt its over half a second faster than advertised. Its usually .1-.3 seconds quicker

Car and Driver got 4.7 in their testing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

An20Olives · 03-26-2022, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PLF69

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So what I hear is that the actual M cars are now even less special and it's even more of a reason to switch to Porsche. Got it.

I choose my cars because they feel good to drive to me. Not because its rare or because there is X or Y badge on it.

It's just cars they will all end up as piles of dirt some day. If I ever get that CSL allocation I'm putting winter tires on it just to nag you "special car buyers" 😝

I never said I got my car to garage it, I chose it because according to your logic it was the best feeling to drive. I drive the hell out of my car through the winter as well. I'm speaking on the lack of diversification with the brand as a whole. The "special cars" really aren't that special anymore. Why would I buy an X5M comp when I can buy an X5M60i with the same engine?

//Marketing?

TurtleBoy · 03-26-2022, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by An20Olives

IWhy would I buy an X5M comp only when I can buy an X5M60i with the same engine.

It may be the same engine but it is not the same HP. Even putting that aside, what makes an M car an M car is much more than the engine. Actually I think that could be one of the least important differences between the M Performance and the M cars.

jo2134 · 03-26-2022, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

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Originally Posted by jo2134

4.7 in what world? Its advertised as 5.3 I doubt its over half a second faster than advertised. Its usually .1-.3 seconds quicker

Car and Driver got 4.7 in their testing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

That's the biggest gap between test drive and advertised time I've seen yet

TurtleBoy · 03-26-2022, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jo2134

That's the biggest gap between test drive and advertised time I've seen yet

Yes, I don't think I have seen any in that range. Must have been extremely favorable conditions or possibly a test error.

DealBMW · 03-26-2022, 05:54 PM

C&D always measure 0-60 with 1ft roll out, such times are usually 0.3-0.4 sec quicker

Tr4ckD4ys · 03-26-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kolosy

if the S-series motor thing is true, that's a kick in the pants for anyone with a '22 (hi!). an HP bump is one thing (even a material one), but going to a full M engine seems out of character and dilutive to both the M brand and anyone who didn't wait for the LCI

Depends on the size of your ego. I love "my" M50i and N63 with the 523hp. I'm not beating every car on the road off the red light today and all that changed is that I won't either tomorrow. Don't care!

KoenG · 03-26-2022, 07:04 PM

Wow, much more power becomes a commodity and that's about time since the EV (new) competition doesn't mind pushing out >800hp beasts. These new EV supercars draw a trail of devastation and BMW has to react. Nice to see they will!

cellarrat · 03-26-2022, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Car and Driver got 4.7 in their testing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

yeah and someone posted a video (I think in this thread?) of a guy doing testing and he got 4.8. Launch control

Tim2189 · 03-26-2022, 07:35 PM

Here's my 2 cents

M50i and X5M will always be different cars and for different customers. BMW knows what they are doing and are not dummies.

An "//M" car is not just an engine or just a body kit, it's a combination of Engine, suspension, brakes, tires, wheels, exhaust and other various parts that differentiate it.

My M50i has a jb4 tune and Downpipes and im sure it's high 500's HP which is very close to an X5M.
Does it drive like an M? No, does it feel like an M? No…. Even if the LCI uses the X5M engine and detunes it, it doesn't mean that X5M owners are suckers for getting them.

Ive driven X5M's and X6M's back to back compared to my car and sure the power is there and somewhat similar but there is no feeling like an M car. The way an M hugs the road (I have DHP on my M50i) and the response of the engine and transmission is day and night.

It's kinda silly reading all of these comments, at the end of the day, we all did our research before buying the specific models we got. We all have our reasonings and preferences, so I'm just baffled by these comments. We have a great community here that helps and supports each other, I've been a member here since 2008 when I got my first BMW which was a 328i coupe with manual seats and literally no options in the car, everyone on here was more than accepting and loving.

Ok rant over haha

Penguino · 03-26-2022, 07:54 PM

All I see is a possible X5M badged as a M60i for $80-$90K. Real, fake, whatever. That's awesome news.

What this will do is bump the X5M to $120-$130K and bridge the profitability gap BMW has in this segment compared to the GLE63 and Cayenne.

mjr24 · 03-26-2022, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by An20Olives

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Originally Posted by PLF69

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Originally Posted by "An20Olives;28731161"

So what I hear is that the actual M cars are now even less special and it's even more of a reason to switch to Porsche. Got it.

I choose my cars because they feel good to drive to me. Not because its rare or because there is X or Y badge on it.

It's just cars they will all end up as piles of dirt some day. If I ever get that CSL allocation I'm putting winter tires on it just to nag you "special car buyers" 😝

I never said I got my car to garage it, I chose it because according to your logic it was the best feeling to drive. I drive the hell out of my car through the winter as well. I'm speaking on the lack of diversification with the brand as a whole. The "special cars" really aren't that special anymore. Why would I buy an X5M comp when I can buy an X5M60i with the same engine?

//Marketing?

You aren't buying neither of them…..so not sure what you are saying.

comebackidlci · 03-26-2022, 09:09 PM

Any chance the deleted things like soft close doors and bowers wilkens will make a return for the 50e?

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