[-Vanguard-]

Originally Posted by bono

I explained myself in one of the posts above. This is a new engine in X5. Together with a new iDrive it may result in some problems.

If somebody is willing to take a risk, it is not my business. I prefer to have somebody else being a beta test driver. I will be ordering 50e as I convinced my wife to switch from. 5 series. I will wait 6-9 months after the launch. Discounts will be higher and issues will be less likely.

What risk man? Its literally a beefed up S63 thats undertuned lol and added a 48v mild hybrid they which is doing just fine in the B58 update for 2021.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

What risk man? Its literally a beefed up S63 thats undertuned lol and added a 48v mild hybrid they which is doing just fine in the B58 update for 2021.

Actually that is not the case, it is a brand new engine. As BMWBlog put it "However, there are literally no carryover parts from the S63 engine to the S68. It’s an entirely new engine, with only its displacement and hot-vee design remaining similar."

https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/04/15/b...vision-engine/

[-Vanguard-]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Actually that is not the case, it is a brand new engine. As BMWBlog put it "However, there are literally no carryover parts from the S63 engine to the S68. It’s an entirely new engine, with only its displacement and hot-vee design remaining similar."

https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/04/15/b...vision-engine/

So you really buy the whole new engine thing and its the same exact displacement and turbo configuration instead of them just upgrading the bolt ons? Cmon. The blocks are the same and they changed part numbers hence the "no shared parts" non sense. Its all the same crap.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

So you really buy the whole new engine thing and its the same exact displacement and turbo configuration instead of them just upgrading the bolt ons? Cmon. The blocks are the same and they changed part numbers hence the "no shared parts" non sense. Its all the same crap.

I have to go with the information that BMW provided and there is enough major changes that it can be considered a new engine.

"For starters, the S68 is literally nut-and-bolt different from the S63 it replaces. However, the key updates are a new crankshaft, oil cooler, oil sump, upgraded turbochargers, and even a new electric VANOS system — which is a first, as all previous VANOS systems worked off of oil pressure."

[BartThrob]

Apologies as I'm new, but isn't the X7 M60i already using the S68?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BartThrob

Apologies as I'm new, but isn't the X7 M60i already using the S68?

No need to apologize. Yes it is.

[eelnoraa]

I would say if vano goes from oil pressure actuated to electric actuated, then it is not a small change. CAM and oil passages in block and head maybe need to different. But if BMW did VANO control like they did valvtronics, then it is a very reliable implementation. The N52 (non turbo valvtromics I6) is probably the most reliable engine BMW has made, sorry not B58.

As for OP, if M60i is what you like, I don't have concern about LCI at all. If you think about it, you don't buy 1st year of model change or LCI, then you also don't buy the last year of model or preLCI, then you really have very narrow window to buy any cars at all. Plus for for M60i kind of car, the volume will be very smaller. Skipping 1 year doesn't have nearly enough data for BMW to change any adjustments if there is indeed a fundamental issue

[BartThrob]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

No need to apologize. Yes it is.

TurtleBoy So is the X7 M60i having any consistent engine issues that are being reported?

Also, some helpful info here about the engine itself: https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/04/15/b...vision-engine/ ...Most of which you have already reported and seem to know.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BartThrob

TurtleBoy So is the X7 M60i having any consistent engine issues that are being reported?

Also, some helpful info here about the engine itself: https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/04/15/b...vision-engine/ ...Most of which you have already reported and seem to know.

None that I have seen.

Yes that is informative, I have it in an earlier post above regarding the engine changes.

[BartThrob]

Seeing pretty good information come out of Belgium specifically for the X5 50e (LCI). Some people even invited into private rooms for viewing (no phones/cameras allowed) Rumors saying an official release day of Feb 7/8. Historically speaking, do we have a decent chance of seeing official images prior to then? Anyone? I am most concerned with "official" images for the M60i, and when they might leak.

[AGONXF30]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

Its not exactly a "new engine"

Its a build up from the S63. BMW rarely makes a "new engine" they just add on and upgrade the previous designs.

Even the B58 isn't a "new engine" but its upgrades over the N54 and changed enough that its a new code instead of just a technical update.

Aside from being an I6 of similar displacement, the N54 and B58 have nothing in common, well maybe the materials used, those are usually very similar as metallurgy does not advance these days as rapidly.

The N55, the N54 successor, which sared some commonalities, was more similar to the N54 and even then it was a new engine for the most part, with sufficient changes to even the castings of both the heads and the block.

Heck the B58TU in the X5 has sufficient different casting in the heads that it could have been a whole new engine, but reality is that the casting changed mostly happened to the head and its exhaust manifold being integrated to the head for better thermodynamic efficiencies.

So in conclusions, the B58 is a completely different engine with maybe one or two things in common (design traits of a lot of engines really) with the N54………..

[AGONXF30]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

So you really buy the whole new engine thing and its the same exact displacement and turbo configuration instead of them just upgrading the bolt ons? Cmon. The blocks are the same and they changed part numbers hence the "no shared parts" non sense. Its all the same crap.

So, by your analogy the F15 is the same as the G05…….. Four wheels, four doors, an engine, similar size, AWD.

BMW has been making 4.4 V8s for a bit now. Maybe its a size they like. Just bacause two things share a displacement and turbo location, does NOT mean they are the same.

[BartThrob]

Originally Posted by BartThrob

Seeing pretty good information come out of Belgium specifically for the X5 50e (LCI). Some people even invited into private rooms for viewing (no phones/cameras allowed) Rumors saying an official release day of Feb 7/8. Historically speaking, do we have a decent chance of seeing official images prior to then? Anyone? I am most concerned with "official" images for the M60i, and when they might leak.

Also hearing some chatter about restricting the 22" wheels on the 50e due to tire shortages. Hopefully that doesn't translate over to the M60i here in the states. #catastrophic

[HelloM8]

Every new BMW model has leaked prior to unveiling for as long as I can remember

[BMPHIL]

Assuming same applies to X5 as X7 m60i is only an increase of 7hp over m50i but new 40i is an increase of 46hp.

[bandersen]

Unless I lived within a mile or two of a good dealer, I personally wouldn’t touch a brand new engine/LCI vehicle in year 1 if I could in any way avoid it (especially with modern electronics). Let someone else work out the inevitable kinks.

Being first on the block/standing in line overnight for that IPhone just isn’t my style.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by BMPHIL

Assuming same applies to X5 as X7 m60i is only an increase of 7hp over m50i but new 40i is an increase of 46hp.

46 sounds like a lot.
Any guesses on how noticeable that is?

One risk in assuming a big difference- People say the b58 is unrated. Maybe this new motor is just properly rated?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

46 sounds like a lot.
Any guesses on how noticeable that is?

One risk in assuming a big difference- People say the b58 is unrated. Maybe this new motor is just properly rated?

The increase in HP had been noted to be 35HP (370HP) but the X7 has gone up to 375HP so the X5 40i will probably follow that.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

The increase in HP had been noted to be 35HP (370HP) but the X7 has gone up to 375HP so the X5 40i will probably follow that.

Sorry in advance for being lazy and not searching
Has it been reported that the x7 40i Lci is noticeably faster than the pre lci ?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Sorry in advance for being lazy and not searching
Has it been reported that the x7 40i Lci is noticeably faster than the pre lci ?

I have not seen anything one way or the other. I would imagine given the increase in HP and torque it will be faster but I'm not sure anyone could notice a tenth of a second or so.

[Aimster82]

My 2019 has no issues ... enjoy your new car

[BMPHIL]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

46 sounds like a lot.
Any guesses on how noticeable that is?

One risk in assuming a big difference- People say the b58 is unrated. Maybe this new motor is just properly rated?

In Uk new X7 40i has 381HP compared with previously 335HP, M60i X7 has 530HP compared with M50i 523HP.

https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/co...?expanded=true

Click on change engine and put 40i in and it shows you output.