[MatthewDavid]

Originally Posted by Ebomb808

The car is built in essentially a day, so the website was correct. Production begins means you have a VIN#, not that they actually started assembling your vehicle.

Lol no

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

Lol no

Not understanding your LOL. What Ebomb808 said is correct. It takes about 4 hours or so to build the X5. When your vehicle goes into the Production Begins stage no physical production is being done. All that means is a VIN has been assigned and parts are ordered/allocated.

[MatthewDavid]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Not understanding your LOL. What Ebomb808 said is correct. It takes about 4 hours or so to build the X5. When your vehicle goes into the Production Begins stage no physical production is being done. All that means is a VIN has been assigned and parts are ordered/allocated.

I don't remember now because I just went on with my life

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

Was in production begins for 2-weeks.

"built in 1 day" is sort of true, but with some big caveats for context, IME.

I can't really say from source for the X5 but for the M4 the factory person said it takes about 2 weeks *total* (see below) and the VIN is assigned somewhere around painting time / once all of the body work is complete, so status 152ish:

111 Order Accepted at AG
112 Order scheduled for Production
150 Production Started
151 Body Shop Started
152 Paint Shop Started
153 Assembly Started
155 Production Completed
160 Released to Distribution
168 AG Stock
170 Waiting Workshop
172 Planned for Workshop
174 Workshop Entry
176 Workshop Complete
180 Waiting for Export Dispatch
181 Waiting for Domestic Dispatch
182 AG Load No. — Released to Carrier
190 Dispatched export BMW AG
191 Returned to BMW AG
193 Arrived at Port of Exit (where my car was stalled)
194 Selected for Shipment
195 Shipped from Port of Exit
196 Shipment Arrival — ATA

Looking at some past timelines ...

8/20/14 112 Order scheduled for Production
8/27/14 150 Production Started
9/2/14 151 Body Shop Started
9/3/14 152 Paint Shop Started
9/4/14 153 Assembly Started
9/5/14 155 Production Completed/QC
9/5/14 160 Released to Distribution
9/6/14 182 Released to Carrier
9/6/14 190 Dispatched export BMW AG
9/8/14 193 Arrived at Port of Exit

And this is from an X5 order I cancelled

Production scheduled: 3/10
Production begins: 3/25
Exterior Body Assembly Begins: 3/27
In The Paint Booth: 3/27
Entering Assembly Line: 3/27
Assembly In Progress: 3/27
Quality Check: 3/28
Final Assembly: 3/28
Ready for transport:3/28
Awaiting Carrier Assignment: 4/2
Dispatched from Factory :4/2

These are typical for all my orders going back 10+ years so it seems like it kinda depends on what we mean by "4 hours", "1 day", and "2 weeks" ... they're all right depending on the context.

IME, that status 112 "production scheduled" meeting is key - prior to that your vehicle doesn't even notionally exist ...

Then it's obvs status 150, production started ... but that still doesn't mean a lot because shit happens on the line...

So it's not really until status 190/193 ... and even then, shit can happen on the way to shipping - hasn't to me, but I've read about it!

So, if all goes great, it's about 2 weeks from the time BMW agrees they'll try to build you a vehicle until it get the staging area for shipping.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

These are typical for all my orders going back 10+ years so it seems like it kinda depends on what we mean by "4 hours", "1 day", and "2 weeks" ... they're all right depending on the context.!

Your X5 and other vehicle is typical of what we have seen and it takes about 4 hours or so to assemble/build according to all sources. It obviously could be a little longer or shorter depending on various factors.

Your factory person was likely including the time it is in the Production Begins Status which is not physically being built. Just look at your timelines and you will see that.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Your factory person was likely including the time it is in the Production Begins Status which is not physically being built. Just look at your timelines and you will see that.

Yup, exactly, that's why I think the context is important, i.e., If the question is:

how long does BMW take to produce a physical vehicle inside of the factory (or similar question operations/robots question)

sure, 4 hours maybe (I don't know, from any BMW source at least) ... but IMO most people are really asking:

"how long between the time my car exists in BMW's operational timetable until I can be assured it's being shipped"

And in that case the answer is ~2 weeks, i.e., from production scheduled to released for shipping ... since before it's scheduled for production it's nothing (and that point is SUPER important for individual builds!) and there are tons of reasons it may miss that 1 day window: vehicles fail quality checks, there can be parts replacements, et al and that resets the clock, but almost always even in those cases your specific car is ready in ~2 weeks.

As examples, one of my builds with individual stuff was delayed almost a week because it had to be "taken across the street" because the leather shop was down or something ... and on one of my factory tours of the Munich plant every vehicle was delayed 2 days for painting because of some reconfiguration ...

But BMW almost always hits the ~2 weeks scheduled to shipping-ready.

So tomato tomahto?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Yup, exactly, that's why I think the context is important, i.e., If the question is:

how long does BMW take to produce a physical vehicle inside of the factory (or similar question operations/robots question)

sure, 4 hours maybe (I don't know, from any BMW source at least) ... but IMO most people are really asking:

"how long between the time my car exists in BMW's operational timetable until I can be assured it's being shipped"

And in that case the answer is ~2 weeks, i.e., from production scheduled to released for shipping ... since before it's scheduled for production it's nothing (and that point is SUPER important for individual builds!) and there are tons of reasons it may miss that 1 day window: vehicles fail quality checks, there can be parts replacements, et al and that resets the clock, but almost always even in those cases your specific car is ready in ~2 weeks.

As examples, one of my builds with individual stuff was delayed almost a week because it had to be "taken across the street" because the leather shop was down or something ... and on one of my factory tours of the Munich plant every vehicle was delayed 2 days for painting because of some reconfiguration ...

But BMW almost always hits the ~2 weeks scheduled to shipping-ready.

So tomato tomahto?

That may be correct but not relevant to the conversation we were having which was what does the Production Begins status mean and what happens.

Edit: I guess for completeness we should add that there is no such thing as a two week timeframe between when it goes into the Scheduled for Production status and when it is ready to ship. Look at your X5, it was over 3 weeks. Mine was almost a month. Just did an M340i which was 6 weeks.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

That may be correct but not relevant to the conversation we were having which was what does the Production Begins status mean and what happens.

Edit: I guess for completeness we should add that there is no such thing as a two week timeframe between when it goes into the Scheduled for Production status and when it is ready to ship. Look at your X5, it was over 3 weeks. Mine was almost a month. Just did an M340i which was 6 weeks.

I think we're talking past each other - I'm aware of the data I posted, it's why I posted it! So we can have real examples of what all of this stuff "means" ....

i.e, in a certain sense none of any of the dates/timelines any of you or me have provided mean anything there's no "right", and thus whatever conversation is happening here is pretty moot.

Most people just want to know how long they have to wait: to your point, there are no for-sure-totally answers (because so many things can happen between the time one places an order and when the vehicle is released for shipping).

So the net-net of all of this is, there are 3 key statuses:

* 112 - scheduled for production (prior to this there's nothing)
* 150 - Production started
* 190 - Dispatched (vehicle has passed quality checks and is heading your way)

If we want to say that's generally 2 weeks, 3 weeks, or 6 weeks ... ok!

But it ain't 4 hours, that's the point; you said you didn't understand MatthewDavid's LOL so I was putting context to his LOL to answer your question. (ie. and afaik, 150 doesn't mean you have a VIN - that happens somewhere after bodywork is complete)

[munich5]

My 2021 X5 has just gone into 'Production Begins' (150 status), effective today (Note that I was told by a BMWNA Genius that I was scheduled for Week 22 production which is the first week of June).

Two things:

- Sounds like they are expediting some 112 customer sold orders
- Based on the above, what would a rough estimate for dealer delivery be (i know it's a very rough estimate!) West coast dealer.

[TurtleBoy]

We aren’t talking past each other, you refuse to look at data, even what you supply. You would rather dance around and change your position instead of just admitting you are wrong or stop posting. You can keep going if you want but we all know to ignore the nonsense you post. You can gladly have the last word of it stokes your ego to do so.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by munich5

My 2021 X5 has just gone into 'Production Begins' (150 status), effective today (Note that I was told by a BMWNA Genius that I was scheduled for Week 22 production which is the first week of June).

Two things:

- Sounds like they are expediting some 112 customer sold orders
- Based on the above, what would a rough estimate for dealer delivery be (i know it's a very rough estimate!) West coast dealer.

It is usually 2-3 weeks to California so around the middle/end of June.

[MatthewDavid]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

We aren’t talking past each other, you refuse to look at data, even what you supply. You would rather dance around and change your position instead of just admitting you are wrong or stop posting. You can keep going if you want but we all know to ignore the nonsense you post. You can gladly have the last word of it stokes your ego to do so.

Oh NOW I remember my LOL! It's because I took some time off this forum, but immediately upon coming back I was reminded just how many sanctimonious know-it-alls pile into the various threads confidently talking about anything and everything irrespective of actual knowledge or context as if merely the quantity of their gaseous emissions could achieve some actual, real world rockstar status. And THAT friends, is what made me LOL.

[Ebomb808]

Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

Oh NOW I remember my LOL! It's because I took some time off this forum, but immediately upon coming back I was reminded just how many sanctimonious know-it-alls pile into the various threads confidently talking about anything and everything irrespective of actual knowledge or context as if merely the quantity of their gaseous emissions could achieve some actual, real world rockstar status. And THAT friends, is what made me LOL.

You responded to my accurate post with "Lol No" which was wrong, mocking, and lacking substance and then have the audacity to write this.

[MatthewDavid]

Originally Posted by Ebomb808

You responded to my accurate post with "Lol No" which was wrong, mocking, and lacking substance and then have the audacity to write this.

Yeah, I was mocking you. Thought that was obvious.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

Oh NOW I remember my LOL! It's because I took some time off this forum, but immediately upon coming back I was reminded just how many sanctimonious know-it-alls pile into the various threads confidently talking about anything and everything irrespective of actual knowledge or context as if merely the quantity of their gaseous emissions could achieve some actual, real world rockstar status. And THAT friends, is what made me LOL.

Those type of folks tend to piss me off/frustrate me too and that is why I try and correct them and provide actual data, facts and history where appropriate. In this case it seems we had one in here (I really believe he really means well but his posts can be incorrect/misleading) and you are teetering on the edge also. LOL

Edit: Here is some eye candy (sorry not an X5) to get us thinking about vehicles again and not each other.

[karthikss]

Originally Posted by karthikss

Waiting on my 45e eagerly! Ordered on 4/11. Expected completion date is 5/19 but status still shows "Production Begins" . Hopefully status changes soon and goes thru the stages fast. Fingers crossed!!!

Car flew through the steps couple of days ago (5/18) and is now "Awaiting Carrier Assignment" which is one day ahead of what was indicated earlier when it went to Production Begins status. I called the Genius hotline and its being pickedup today for delivery next Tuesday to the dealership. YAY!!!!

[motherkin]

Any latest updates from California fellows on how long the transportation from factory took?

[nwredline]

Anybody heard what week MY22 X5 45e production starts?

[nwredline]

one person on here already has a vin assigned and post pic of status production begins. They ordered 21days after me. Anyone else MY22 45e in productions

[nwredline]

7/29/21 called BMW Genius and spoke with live person on builds start date. Still no official week assigned for MY22 x5 45e. Only said x5 production estimated to start week 33 End of August.

[mobsync]

I ordered my 45e on July 2nd. Went to Production Begins status last Friday. Supposed to be finished on Friday August 6th. Hoping to schedule my PCD for the last week of August. Hopefully the yearly EPA hold won't be too long.

Pretty heavily optioned X-line with Driver's Assist, Parking Assist, Merino Leather, Luxury Seating, Executive and Climate Comfort packages. Got my VIN # and got everything I ordered except for the change from Fineline trim to Poplar. No biggie there. Was just glad to see that all of my necessary options were confirmed with the VIN number. I would've hated to have to cancel the order and wait until parts were available later. I'm very impatient when it comes to my new toys!!!

[TonySCV]

Originally Posted by motherkin

Any latest updates from California fellows on how long the transportation from factory took?

~3ish weeks from South Carolina to the dealer in SoCal. This includes a stop in Kansas City where they shuffle some railroad cars around, and then a 2nd stop in San Bernardino where the cars go from the railroad to a truck (this is where the status online goes backwards from "In Transit" to "at the port" again). At that point it's 2-3 days at most to go from San Bernardino to a SoCal dealer.