[BHCJJS]

Here's a list of questions that will help you make a decision. What others say are biased to their proclivities, such as yours will be as well, but that's what makes us drive the specific luxury vehicles we currently have in our garage.

What do you want to drive?
- what sparks your interest?
- what do you think YOU will be happy in for the amount of time you think you will have the vehicle?
- do you care about what others may think about when they see you driving or owning a certain vehicle? (in the end, it doesn't really matter, btw).

What's important to you in a vehicle?
- safety, performance, firm steering, brand, electronics?
- reliability and durability are difficult to measure with any type of vehicle or brand (whether it's within 5 miles driving out of the dealership to owning one for 15 years).

Have you test driven any vehicles you're interested in?

Overall, get the car you want. That's the only thing that matters.

[DENtoLAS]

The GV80 can be equipped with a third row which places it in the same category as the X7. Granted the GV80 will be less expensive -- BUT, with the discounts people can get and rebates the X7 would by far be less expensive than the GV80 at the end of the day. I cannot see the GV80s getting anywhere near 10% off + incentives at this time, maybe in a couple years.

[SmartSaves]

A few observations, notes, and questions:

BMW engines and ZF combo. Didn't Hyundai and KIA were fined heavily for failing to recall their engines last week? Weren't they fined for telling lie about gas mileage few years ago?

Tried and true iDrive system, and things that you can do with coding. Can you compare?

Handling with DHP even on an 40i. Can you compare?

Prestige and class. Can you compare? Do they have a separate dealership like Lexus or do you still go to Hyundai dealership?

Personally, I don't like the GV80's steering wheel and D pillar design among other things. If I were shopping Acura MDX, Lexus RX, etc. then GV80 would be on my list; however, I recommend not buying at least first two model years on any new platform.

Here is an interesting point about rating, auto journalist gives high remarks about Mazda CX-9, but why it doesn't compete well in its class? Don't know! I watch reputable reviews and ratings, but my research and analysis has the final say.

I also have a different take on reliability. IMO some car manufacturers are reliable because they are not an early adopters of new technologies. They wait to adopt, hence reliable. For example, not a single Toyota/Lexus vehicles have wireless CarPlay, except one that is using rebadged iDrive.

No cars are perfect, at the end you decide what is best fit for you.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by sand99

The Car and Driver story listed the BMW X5, Volvo XC90, and Porsche Cayenne as the the best midsize luxury SUVs, I guess they couldn't pick one.

Best large luxury SUV was the BMW X7 by itself.

Here is the story.

Yes, that was for 2020. From the chart I saw, I think for 2021 it was the GV80, X5 and then Cayenne. I couldn't find an article for it when I briefly looked last night.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by DENtoLAS

The GV80 can be equipped with a third row which places it in the same category as the X7. Granted the GV80 will be less expensive -- BUT, with the discounts people can get and rebates the X7 would by far be less expensive than the GV80 at the end of the day. I cannot see the GV80s getting anywhere near 10% off + incentives at this time, maybe in a couple years.

This does not make sense at all. Many mid-sized SUVs, including the X5, can be optioned with a third row.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by codex57

I'm really confused here about Mystos. His rep says he's been around a long time as a good contribute. His remarks here are come off as a total troll. He compares the GV80 to a X7 and a Bentayga? WTF? Then he complains about the V6 only putting out 375 hp, when the X5/X7 I6 only puts out 335, which is way less. Is this some bizarre attempt at reverse psychology?

Your missing context. The BMW X5 top engine option output is 523hp vs GV80 top engine output of 375hp. That’s a huge gap in performance in these mid size luxury SUV’s in top trim. By definition, luxury buyers are not price point shopping at this level so being limited to only a V6 with 375hp as it’s top output won’t cut it against the Germans. Many are assuming mid size luxury SUV buyers are only looking for luxury fluff and tech without any driving performance.
I disagree with this stereotype premise and so does all the German brands offering several levels of performance engines on all their mid size platforms.

I get that comparing a X5 in base trim against a loaded GV80 makes a fun argument on paper and keeps the price point close but not really apples to apples.

The previous poster mistakenly said C&D picked the GV80 as its top luxury SUV. He since went back in and corrected the statement and added mid size luxury SUV. The C&D rankings was posted a few threads back by sand99 that gave that clarification in where C&D ranked their mid size luxury as a separate category than what the full blown luxury SUV’s vehicles were ranked.

In the end of the day this is all fun forum conversations but only question that matters is if you will really vote with your money and buy a Hyundai over any of the traditional German luxury brands?? When you actually pony up the $$$ does that really solidify your faith in a brands ability to deliver what you want.

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

There is always a heavy emphasis on “price” with the Genesis to give it high marks.

Exactly. I don't want to own the best house in the worst neighborhood.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Your missing context. The BMW X5 top engine option output is 523hp vs GV80 top engine output of 375hp. That’s a huge gap in performance in these mid size luxury SUV’s performance in top trim. I get that comparing a X5 in base trim against a loaded GV80 makes a fun argument on paper but not really apples to apples.

The previous poster mistakenly said C&D picked the GV80 as its top luxury SUV. He since went back in and corrected the statement and added mid size luxury SUV. The C&D articulated was posted a few threads back by sand99 that gave that clarification.

Just for context, you didn't post about the engine size until well after it was established that we were talking about the mid-size luxury SUV. Doesn't matter though.

You obviously are very passionate about BMW and the vehicles you have. I know and understand that but I can see how others can take you as being a troll.

For anyone still following this thread - MystroX5 is definitely not a troll.

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

That’s a huge gap in performance in these mid size luxury SUV’s in top trim.

The handling will not be dialed in either and I don't know if they have any kind of sport diff / active diff but I am certain they will not offer a locking diff or low range gear box. Considering options, price point, and badge it really competes against GMC, Lincoln, Cadillac, Volvo, Lexus and Acura. IMO.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

Exactly. I don't want to own the best house in the worst neighborhood.

That is a very clear and succinct way of looking at this topic on many levels.

I don’t know if any of the other forums for the RR, Cayenne, GLE, etc... has this in-depth discussion of the GV80 but we can say the topic has been thoroughly discussed by the BMW brethren.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Yes, that was for 2020. From the chart I saw, I think for 2021 it was the GV80, X5 and then Cayenne. I couldn't find an article for it when I briefly looked last night.

Are you referring to this. Every vehicles' basic info page on C/D lists a ranking within its class. Either way its clear that C/D prefers the GV80, otherwise the Cayenne would have gotten the 10 Best Award.

[philooo]

Best deal because of Discount: X5
Best SUV right now: Mercedes GLE ..but no discount available... because .. best SUV.

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

TConsidering options, price point, and badge it really competes against GMC, Lincoln, Cadillac, Volvo, Lexus and Acura. IMO.

You forgot to mention Buick, the GV80 has a Buick style steering wheel Ok, but really, all the car publications like to sell their mags so they need to release their opinions on new market entries, that's what keeps the world spinning. Give it a year or two in owners hands and allow the owners to rate it, then we will start to see some meaningful reviews. Most things work and look great when they are new which is why I like to read the mag's long term ownership test results and hear from people like us on these sort of forums. Like any new model, ah hem, the G05.....it will have its share of infantile failures and software bugs but will be interesting to see how well the Koreans developed and tested the software before initial release. Most of us have been here long enough to have gone through the 2019 G05 software stories. If they did it as well as they are managing COVID, I would expect it not to exhibit anywhere near the number of G05 issues. I kept tract of owner reported "thought to be" software issues on the 2019 G05 and got up to 56 before I stopped counting and up to 52 hardware/quality issues. Yes, a small few may have ended up being operator error but such will also be the case on the GV80.

Thing is though, unless the GV80 will be owned by enthusiasts like us, you will still have to read between the lines when reading their reviews and owner satisfaction surveys by the likes of Powers, CR, etc. If its owners simply want to go from A to B but in style, their performance expectations are going to be quite a bit lower than ours.

[speedyman]

Who picks a Hyundai, excuse me "Genesis" over a BMW X5 for anywhere near the same money. Get real.

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Who picks a Hyundai, excuse me "Genesis" over a BMW X5 for anywhere near the same money. Get real.

Well, apparently all those who have already laid down their bucks even before it was released and they could see one in person. I'm sure there will be plenty more. I read a few months ago that there were more than 10,000 pre orders for it and we now know dealers are selling it above MSRP. Well, ok, that nonsense will stop in time. I personally cannot imagine anyone pre ordering the first year of a new model anything...but then again, I look at things only through my own eyes.

The GV80 offers.. ..
- Limited warranty covers 5 years or 60,000 miles
- Powertrain warranty covers 10 years or 100,000 miles
- Complimentary maintenance is covered for 3 years or 36,000 miles

[iconoclast]

That may be so but nowhere does it state what those pre-order individuals were shopping against it and I highly doubt GV80 is selling above MSRP because if it were then at that price point why wouldn't you explore a European Marque?

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

That may be so but nowhere does it state what those pre-order individuals were shopping against it and I highly doubt GV80 is selling above MSRP because if it were then at that price point why wouldn't you explore a European Marque?

I'd also be interested in knowing what they owned and had cross shopped and how many wanted their $1K preorder money back and why. Thing is, there's always bits of info missing in publications and what you might find during an internet search.

As far as dealers wanting more than MSRP, someone else, heck it might even be in this thread but I neglected to look, mentioned either they saw it at dealers or something but here, take a look at what Edmunds is reporting. Keep in mind, lots of crazy crap happens within the frenzy of new shiny things where people want bragging rights and to show their neighbor that their car is better, newer, etc.

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[stein_325i]

One of my clients paid $5k over for their GV80. She really wanted the car. She is coming from three Lexus RX's.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by SmartSaves

A few observations, notes, and questions:

BMW engines and ZF combo. Didn't Hyundai and KIA were fined heavily for failing to recall their engines last week? Weren't they fined for telling lie about gas mileage few years ago?

Tried and true iDrive system, and things that you can do with coding. Can you compare?

Handling with DHP even on an 40i. Can you compare?

Prestige and class. Can you compare? Do they have a separate dealership like Lexus or do you still go to Hyundai dealership?

Personally, I don't like the GV80's steering wheel and D pillar design among other things. If I were shopping Acura MDX, Lexus RX, etc. then GV80 would be on my list; however, I recommend not buying at least first two model years on any new platform.

Here is an interesting point about rating, auto journalist gives high remarks about Mazda CX-9, but why it doesn't compete well in its class? Don't know! I watch reputable reviews and ratings, but my research and analysis has the final say.

I also have a different take on reliability. IMO some car manufacturers are reliable because they are not an early adopters of new technologies. They wait to adopt, hence reliable. For example, not a single Toyota/Lexus vehicles have wireless CarPlay, except one that is using rebadged iDrive.

No cars are perfect, at the end you decide what is best fit for you.

Not an argument, but in the US DHP is not available on the G05 40i, or 45e. So that isn't anything to consider when cross shopping here (unless you are fine with X6 styling, DHP is available on the x6 40i)

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Marty in NY

I'd also be interested in knowing what they owned and had cross shopped and how many wanted their $1K preorder money back and why. Thing is, there's always bits of info missing in publications and what you might find during an internet search.

As far as dealers wanting more than MSRP, someone else, heck it might even be in this thread but I neglected to look, mentioned either they saw it at dealers or something but here, take a look at what Edmunds is reporting. Keep in mind, lots of crazy crap happens within the frenzy of new shiny things where people want bragging rights and to show their neighbor that their car is better, newer, etc.

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"bragging rights" with a shinny new Hyundai, that is flatly laughable.

[DENtoLAS]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

One of my clients paid $5k over for their GV80. She really wanted the car. She is coming from three Lexus RX's.

This is exactly why the X5 is the better choice.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

One of my clients paid $5k over for their GV80. She really wanted the car. She is coming from three Lexus RX's.

Many, if not most, dealers are marking them up between 5 and 10k and they can’t keep them on the lots. As soon as one comes in it is gone. There were over 20,000 pre-orders when last disclosed, when someone drops out their vehicle is sold just as quickly it seems. I would guess in 6 months or so things will calm down but right now it is very hot.

It could be because it is new or maybe just that good but I have seen a number of folks who were also looking at an X5, or even an X5 owner, being blown away by the GV80. It will be interesting to come back to this thread in a few years and see how things turned out.