[Deja011]

Hi ifr,

I have esysx expert license with support for 7/20 and have G05 with 07/2020 i-step. Will you be comfortable sharing the codes.

[JonG67]

Originally Posted by ifr

Yes I would think the TLA will work for you, once you upgrade to i-step 07/2020 or later, assuming you already have automatic Speed Limit Assistant.

Thanks - I do have SLA but I think I'll wait until 11/2020 comes out if I'm going to get a dealer to do it.

I've got the full PSDZ data for 7/2020 and esysx so could in theory flash the car myself but I'm yet to find a reliable guide that gives me confidence to try it, mainly how many modules I'd need to flash and I believe there's one thats tricky and you can't have the engine running.

(as an aside - G67 in my user name is my surname and year of birth - just realised it looks odd!)

[ifr]

Originally Posted by JonG67

Thanks - I do have SLA but I think I'll wait until 11/2020 comes out if I'm going to get a dealer to do it.

I've got the full PSDZ data for 7/2020 and esysx so could in theory flash the car myself but I'm yet to find a reliable guide that gives me confidence to try it, mainly how many modules I'd need to flash and I believe there's one thats tricky and you can't have the engine running.

(as an aside - G67 in my user name is my surname and year of birth - just realised it looks odd!)

I would never recommend updating your own i-step while under warranty. Ask the dealer to do it, or wait for an RSU.

That said if you were to do it I wouldn't touch the esys method.

I'd use ISTA+ with BMW ICOM next connected to a very stable and reliable W10 laptop via a cabled network router, or direct using a local dhcp server.

Car needs a voltage regulator to maintain constant voltage during the programming session, and there are a number of pre-reqs to meet to ensure the coding sessions goes ok e.g. disconnect all USB devices, BT/wifi connected devices, etc

Even then you will have done an offline programming session so the FASTA data wont have been uploaded to BMW, meaning some new services might not be available until connected to the dealer network. Plus you might need to import some FSC from your car's repair kit.

[Saunders17283]

Originally Posted by ifr

Have you already coded automatic speed limit assistant, and do you have Sept 2020 esysx?

I have sucessfully coded aSLA, yes.

My eSysX version is 4.23.22
PSdZData version is 4.25.33
iStep version is 07/2020.45
eSys version is 3.34.0

[Saunders17283]

Originally Posted by Saunders17283

I have sucessfully coded aSLA, yes.

My eSysX version is 4.23.22
PSdZData version is 4.25.33
iStep version is 07/2020.45
eSys version is 3.34.0

Sorry...my eSysX version is 4.23.22

I checked with eSysX and there is a 4.24 version but it's another 30euros EVERY SINGLE UPGRADE.

Also, no indication what upgrade from 4.23.33 to 4.24 benefits are.

[ifr]

Originally Posted by Saunders17283

Sorry...my eSysX version is 4.23.22

I checked with eSysX and there is a 4.24 version but it's another 30euros EVERY SINGLE UPGRADE.

Also, no indication what upgrade from 4.23.33 to 4.24 benefits are.

Not sure what 4.x version is.

I'm on 2.3.1.5 (64-bit version)

Change log is here: https://esysx.com/change-log/

You need the 140920 release. Later versions wont offer you benefit. If you can view SAS3 and no codes are trimmed (ignore UNBELEGT), then you are good

[bladers]

Originally Posted by ifr

Yes no h/w changes needed to get it working on MY19 G05 in the UK.

I don't think the deliberation was about sw vs hw changes, more the build date for non-code minded buyers. Currently the sw code will only activate TLA for 11/2020 build version cars (unless coded). Prior to the press release it seemed that only those owners with a build version of 11/2020 would get it.

The press release suggests that ALL MY21 G05 will get it, including build version 07/2020-10/2020, however that remains to be seen.
For it to work BMW will need to change the coding so that the TLA activates for build version 07/2020 and later, and this can only be done by an i-step upgrade. Presumably 11/2020.x.

Once the psdzdata is out for 11/2020.x I'll be able to tell for sure what their intentions are.

Could you make a video of it working?
Similar to videos like this

also preferably with camera view like this:

[ifr]

Originally Posted by bladers

Could you make a video of it working?
Similar to videos like this

Those videos are of features natively delivered to the car and model year. The features I am using were not delivered by BMW, so that would be a hard no.

Good videos though. I'd love to do one but the risk reward doesn't work.

Mine doesnt work for Stop signs, but looking at the video, the BMW system is more efficient than the second Tesla TLA.

WRT to the 2nd video - not even close. I have the hands off driving and it will deal with the urban roads, highways and traffic lights, but it's nowhere near as seamless as Tesla are showing in that dev vehicle. Lane changes require user intervention by pressing the indicator stalk, as do highway exits. While it will follow NAV guidance and slow for junctions in an urban scenario, it doesn't complete the manoeuvre for you like the Tesla is doing.

I'm sure BMW have dev cars that can do what the Tesla is doing, but they probably don't want to show their hand just to raise the share price and sell a very expensive self driving system that currently does very little.

[bladers]

Originally Posted by ifr

Those videos are of features natively delivered to the car and model year. The features I am using were not delivered by BMW, so that would be a hard no.

Good videos though. I'd love to do one but the risk reward doesn't work.

Mine doesnt work for Stop signs, but looking at the video, the BMW system is more efficient than the second Tesla TLA.

WRT to the 2nd video - not even close. I have the hands off driving and it will deal with the urban roads, highways and traffic lights, but it's nowhere near as seamless as Tesla are showing in that dev vehicle. Lane changes require user intervention by pressing the indicator stalk, as do highway exits. While it will follow NAV guidance and slow for junctions in an urban scenario, it doesn't complete the manoeuvre for you like the Tesla is doing.

I'm sure BMW have dev cars that can do what the Tesla is doing, but they probably don't want to show their hand just to raise the share price and sell a very expensive self driving system that currently does very little.

I only posted the second video for camera placement reference. Obviously I know BMW doesn't have production software like that, no one does.

I don't know if you heard of verygreen. He actually hacks Tesla cars and posts videos of new and upcoming autopilot adas features. I don't think there is as much risk as you think it is and alot more reward.

https://www.youtube.com/user/greentheonly/videos

https://twitter.com/greentheonly

Not only that but your case, you still remain anonymous.

[ifr]

Originally Posted by bladers

I only posted the second video for camera placement reference. Obviously I know BMW doesn't have production software like that, no one does.

I don't know if you heard of verygreen. He actually hacks Tesla cars and posts videos of new and upcoming features. I don't think there is as much risk as you think it is and alot more reward.

https://www.youtube.com/user/greentheonly/videos

https://twitter.com/greentheonly

Not only that but your case, you still remain anonymous.

I know exactly what the risk is and I am 100% not prepared to do it.

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by ifr

I know exactly what the risk is and I am 100% not prepared to do it.

You can always post it from a 5th or 6th identity or have it be "leaked" by a 3rd party from an anonymous source, delivered over 5 router proxies and multiple TOR exit nodes. Just saying :-)

[ifr]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

You can always post it from a 5th or 6th identity or have it be "leaked" by a 3rd party from an anonymous source, delivered over 5 router proxies and multiple TOR exit nodes. Just saying :-)

This persona must be due to be burned soon. I'm going to come back as a newbie and ask you lots of annoying questions lol

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by ifr

This persona must be due to be burned soon. I'm going to come back as a newbie and ask you lots of annoying questions lol

How is that different (for me) than any other day :-).

[bladers]

Originally Posted by ifr

I know exactly what the risk is and I am 100% not prepared to do it.

What LexxM3 said lol

[Saunders17283]

Originally Posted by ifr

Not sure what 4.x version is.

I'm on 2.3.1.5 (64-bit version)

Change log is here: https://esysx.com/change-log/

You need the 140920 release. Later versions wont offer you benefit. If you can view SAS3 and no codes are trimmed (ignore UNBELEGT), then you are good

I'm not sure what 2.3.1.5 is either...haha!

I'm now upgraded to the most current version which is 4.24 (64-bit Expert Version)

[ifr]

Originally Posted by Saunders17283

I'm not sure what 2.3.1.5 is either...haha!

I'm now upgraded to the most current version which is 4.24 (64-bit Expert Version)

Where are you checking the version number?

Think you need to check ispihostAdmin-Software Updates-IspiHost-Components-EsysX64 Version

[ifr]

Originally Posted by bladers

What LexxM3 said lol

[IMG]https://64.media.tumblr.com/15b383da...2mgo2_250.gifv[/IMG]

Two strangers on the inter web are shaming me into posting my identity and location on the largest media platform in the world. Man I feel compelled to do it now.

Last post to on this subject as I take security seriously and am carrying the risk while helping others.

[JonG67]

Originally Posted by ifr

Those videos are of features natively delivered to the car and model year. The features I am using were not delivered by BMW, so that would be a hard no.

Good videos though. I'd love to do one but the risk reward doesn't work.

Mine doesnt work for Stop signs, but looking at the video, the BMW system is more efficient than the second Tesla TLA.

WRT to the 2nd video - not even close. I have the hands off driving and it will deal with the urban roads, highways and traffic lights, but it's nowhere near as seamless as Tesla are showing in that dev vehicle. Lane changes require user intervention by pressing the indicator stalk, as do highway exits. While it will follow NAV guidance and slow for junctions in an urban scenario, it doesn't complete the manoeuvre for you like the Tesla is doing.

I'm sure BMW have dev cars that can do what the Tesla is doing, but they probably don't want to show their hand just to raise the share price and sell a very expensive self driving system that currently does very little.

Having come from the Tesla system, the BMW system is way more reliable in my opinion. Tesla talk it up and use heavily edited videos. They had a self driving car video from 2016 that they showed driving to the office, dropping the guy off and then going off to find a parking space, it doesn't do that now 4 years later. The speed limit control on the BMW is way better, the interface with the driver is way better, and in general anything it tries to do it does reasonably competently. The Tesla system phantom brakes, often hard, with no warning on motorways. The parking system is tempremental. They've also recently announed a complete rewrite. So don't be fooled by the Tesla videos, they might try and push out features first but they're rarely useable. Some still find the auto wiper and auto headlights tempremental. I think NCAP have just published an article comparing all these systems and Merc, BMW and Audi all come ahead of Tesla.

[MissionPerformance]

This is an absolutely correct observation. Running a BMW tuning company, you would expect me to have huge bias towards our beloved brand, but 1 year ago I have added a 2016 P100D as a daily driver since I drive 110miles each day for work, 5 times a week.
The P100D came with AP1 (a single camera in windshield just like Kafas1/2 on BMWs). The setup worked decently but was never even close to “the phenomenal Tesla AutoPilot”. So we went to work, stripped the car and upgraded it to HW2.5( 7 camera setup). The system had great animations on the display for sure, looked great but functionally, was still a let down. I still needed to truly experience what the Tesla has to offer, so I upgraded the car to Full Self Driving HW3.0 unit, Tesla’s “State Of The Art AutoPilot”. And let me tell you, what a pile of rubbish. The car will randomly brake check people behind: you are driving at 85 or 90, everything is good, and out of a sudden, the car Slams on brakes. At least 5 times now it has almost caused a crash and only by a miracle, the driver behind me was quick enough to dodge me (coincidentally he was in Dodge as well). Then there are events where the car would drive well, sit in carpool lane and for no reason at all (carpool lane got a bit wider), the car would jump out to the left shoulder and nearly take out the divider.
Then changing lanes when the road has a slight curve: in some occasions, the darn car would start the lane change process right before the slight “apex” of the turn, move half way and get scared. The Amazing Tesla would sit between two lanes not knowing what to do so you have to kill AP and manually put the car back in the place (think about that fiery crash when the model S took a life).
Overall, the Tesla’s AP has more “features” then the 7/19 M340i we ran for testing back in the day, BUT all those features at experimental and in Alpha stage at best compared to BMW.

Here is a little video as demo of the sudden braking:

Aside from the laughable AP, there are a laundry list of issues from quality control (Tesla forgot to weld structural panels), power/acceleration is no where close to advertised levels, battery range is ridiculously overestimated, cabin noise, software running the car is literally complete rubbish and so on.

I actually have a very loaded 45e being built right now and will be delivered in a month or so. After initial break in, I will be calling our media crew and will be making a video of demonstration between X3M, G05 and Tesla on a real life operations.

[ifr]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

I actually have a very loaded 45e being built right now and will be delivered in a month or so. After initial break in, I will be calling our media crew and will be making a video of demonstration between X3M, G05 and Tesla on a real life operations.

Will it be a fair fight though?

Tesla seem to unlock most of their current production semi-autonomous driving features for the US market, whereas BMW restrict a few key ones that are available in other markets.

auto Speed Limit Assistant, Traffic Light recognition, highway exit assistant, emergency lane formation, Give Way Warning (full features inc traffic light warning, give way, stop signs) - these features may not be available to you in the US, even on MY21, without coding.

Looking forward to the video

[MissionPerformance]

Of course it will be a fair battle since Tesla is rooted and BMW will be coded.

[JonG67]

I suspect its got more to do with Tesla developing code in the US and the rest of the world is an after thought. I could bore you with some of the articles I've read over the years but one on self driving compared Tesla and the Musks "feature complete" list to the list the NHTSA have identified as the core components required, Tesla don't attempt half of them such as fast and slow merge into traffic automatically. Anyway - the other key point is that Tesla can't get away with 1 generic trained model for how to drive as many of the components need to be trained in each country - driving is not exactly the same in each country and the image recognition of say a truck in the US across the road would never appear the same in Europe as our trucks are filled in between the wheels and cab (talking articulated lorrys or semi trucks and trailers as I think they're called in the US). One size therefore doesn't fit all with image recognition and if you want to minimise false positives and false negatives that matters. So Teslas is trying to deliver for the US based on the sheer amount of data and install base and it kinda works in other countries except we get phantom braking, junction design they don't get so often etc. The legislation thing they throw around I think is actually the regulators saving Tesla and their owners from themselves as a lot of the rules were retrospectice such as putting a limit on the amount of steering lock the car could apply over here. Tesla owners in the UK say the regulations made the car less safe, but I can't say I am ever worried driving my BMW on the same roads in comparison.