[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

...and HERE...

https://www.bmwusa.com/build-your-ow...tivity-vehicle

..the exact opposite applies..

not opposite whatsoever...

"engineered by M" doesn't make it an ///M

[iconoclast]

[760Lifan]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

not opposite whatsoever...

"engineered by M" doesn't make it an ///M

It is listed under the exact category as the X5 M.

The X5 M is also "engineered by M" so I don't know what the point of that is.

You made the argument that it's not an M because is was not "listed" on a specific website and I showed that on the configurator, the opposite is true where it IS listed as such.

Engineered by whom is - to that point - completely irrelevant.

[760Lifan]

Originally Posted by jiggie

I don't have a pony in this race so its quite amusing actually, lol.

LOL, right...

I don't own the M50i anymore and the previous BMW I owned was an E60 M5 So I see both sides to it.

[john1200c]

Originally Posted by jiggie

This thread feels like some folks have an X5 M and want to make sure those with X5 M50i know that they can't call their an M car, at the same time as some folks who have an X5 M50i and want to claim they have an M car.

I don't have a pony in this race so its quite amusing actually, lol.

I have an M50i and I refer to it as "my car".... If someone asks me what car specifically I say BMW X5 SUV...

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

...and HERE...

https://www.bmwusa.com/build-your-ow...tivity-vehicle

..the exact opposite applies..

This is a “Drop the mic” on the topic if BMW places the M50i is a “M” or not. “Enhanced performance and design, engineered by BMW M.”

Notice you won’t find a 40i regardless of “trim” in the “Black M section”.

Agree with this marketing move or not, it is what it is. Take it up with BMW about what BMW considers their “M cars”.

[Melbourne_X5M]

Technically they are both BMW’s. On that I bet we can all agree.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

The X5 M is also "engineered by M" so I don't know what the point of that is.
[…]
Engineered by whom is - to that point - completely irrelevant.

engineered by M doesn't make the M50i an M just as being engineered by BMW doesn't make a MINI Cooper a BMW

Originally Posted by Melbourne_X5M

Technically they are both BMW's. On that I bet we can all agree.

…and they're both X5s

[jiggie]

I just want you all to know that you have beautiful SUV’s, no matter what that shiny badge says 😎

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

engineered by M doesn't make the M50i an M just as being engineered by BMW doesn't make a MINI Cooper a BMW


…and they're both X5s

You forgot the first part of the description by BMW….”Enhanced performance and design, engineered by BMW M.”

This ship has sailed on this. This isn’t ambiguous or needs any interpretation. BMW spelled it out where they classify these vehicles by text and classification under the banner “M”. You don’t have to agree with BMW but it is what it is. What used to be a grey issue three years ago is now pretty Black and White by BMW’s own strait forward classification. In a way BMW has finally removed any confusion they use to dance around for years with the “M-Sport” but made a bold move with how they classify the new “M50i”. BMW did keep the “M-Sport” styling trim for the vehicles that don’t fall under their “M” badges. It’s also why M-Sport trim vehicles don’t get the large rear “M” badge.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

This ship has sailed on this. This isn't ambiguous or needs any interpretation. BMW spelled it out where they classify these vehicles by text and classification under the banner "M". You don't have to agree with BMW but it is what it is. What used to be a grey issue three years ago is now pretty Black and White by BMW's own strait forward classification.

what's your argument then since BMW doesn't list the M50i on their official M Models page?? kinda goes against your whole logic…

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...hoCKekQAvD_BwE

[goobies818]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

what's your argument then since BMW doesn't list the M50i on their official M Models page?? kinda goes against your whole logic…

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...hoCKekQAvD_BwE

Simply put...if we have to ask and have a debate...then it's not.

Nobody questions the merits if a X5M is a M car (well...ok...maybe some purists scoff at the idea of a SAV M...but still)

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

what's your argument then since BMW doesn't list the M50i on their official M Models page?? kinda goes against your whole logic…

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...hoCKekQAvD_BwE

BMW can leave information out in advertising and not be culpable like they do with these build sheets but as soon as they highlight and designate, they have made a clear classification of intent of design. That is another matter as they purposely went out of their way to clarify this M designation and give a brief description of what “M division” includes and what vehicles fall under this classification of “M”. BMW also further clarifies this by segregating each group of cars into 3 classifications with the corresponding vehicles in their respective grouping. (Core Models, Electrified, and BMW M). That was the nail in the contract.

[760Lifan]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

engineered by M doesn't make the M50i an M just as being engineered by BMW doesn't make a MINI Cooper a BMW

Sooo? I never made that claim.

It is not about the wording on the configurator, it is about the SECTION it is listed under and that is the same as the X5 M. That's just a fact.

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

what's your argument then since BMW doesn't list the M50i on their official M Models page?? kinda goes against your whole logic…

Well, this is exactly why I was talking about the 'opposite' which you disputed.

I'm just saying that you can't use one official BMW-source to make your point while disputing the other. It's not as easy as that.

[TurtleBoy]

I think maybe you guys are talking past each other about two different things and possible agreeing without knowing it.

There is no doubt that the M50i is not an M model so no need to discuss that. M Models are a specific set of vehicles that BMW M sells (as listed in a previous post). The M50i, and other M Performance vehicles, do fall under the BMW M division, at least marketing wise, so in that sense they are BMW M vehicles but not M models.

I think this thread has run its course and there really can be nothing but aggravation on all sides going forward. Why don't we switch to an easier subject - purchasing or leasing, which is better?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

Sooo? I never made that claim.

just as I thought… I never said you made this claim, but I stated this to show your 'point' doesn't hold and in fact it is about wording.

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

I'm just saying that you can't use one official BMW-source to make your point while disputing the other. It's not as easy as that.

and yet here you are using one page to make your point while disputing the other

[wtwo3]

I feel like this topic gets raised every year and every year it's the same back and forth. BMW ///Marketing at its finest.

My stake in all this is a G20 "m340i". I don't consider it an M car for the following reasons:

1) Dynamically it's nearly identical to a 330i with m-sport suspension. The largest difference is the b58 motor. The M3 on the other hand is a totally different beast with a different motor, different suspension setup, track oriented performance parts, etc.

2) It very obviously replaces the f30 340i. Aside from generational improvements and power increases, the g20 330i replaces the f30 330i, the g20 m340i replaces the f30 340i, and the g80 M3 replaces the f80 M3. It's not like BMW offered an entirely new class of car in the m340i. If you can't see that adding the "m" in front of 340i is nothing more than a marketing tactic, then you're in denial.

[goobies818]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I think maybe you guys are talking past each other about two different things and possible agreeing without knowing it.

There is no doubt that the M50i is not an M model so no need to discuss that. M Models are a specific set of vehicles that BMW M sells (as listed in a previous post). The M50i, and other M Performance vehicles, do fall under the BMW M division, at least marketing wise, so in that sense they are BMW M vehicles but not M models.

I think this thread has run its course and there really can be nothing but aggravation on all sides going forward. Why don't we switch to an easier subject - purchasing or leasing, which is better?

Purchasing vs leasing? that's like a 3rd rail of car discussion boards.

[iconoclast]

in the end what is the argument about? whose x5 gets their family to school, grocery store or mall in a more noble fashion? the truth is regardless of which badge it wears nearly all of the X5 sold are used the same way.

[jiggie]

The real question though...

Is it an SUV or an SAV

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by jiggie

The real question though...

Is it an SUV or an SAV

Mine identifies as a crossover.

[nZtiZia]

SAV makes sense versus SUV, unless of course you 'utilize' it as such