[mobsync]

If my 50e does end up being a lemon, I will probably choose between duplicating my 50e order or spending a little more and getting an M60.

Anyone here driven both? Just wondering what the real world difference in feel is like. Mainly the throttle response difference. Would love to know the 50-70 times on both.

[Jongp3]

Oof be a bit more optimistic. My 50e was a 5/17 production. I've got just over 2500 miles with ZERO issues. It's much easier to complain and vent about issues on the internet, than it is to write a positive experience which is why you'll always see more negativity.

To answer your other question, I've been in my buddies M60, I haven't driven it. From the passenger seat 50-70 couldn't tell a difference. You're probably talking about fractions of a second so who cares?
Both have more power than anyone would need in normal driving. Unless you are driving at +90% of the limits you aren't going to notice much.
The suspension is noticeably stiffer in my opinion.
The initial take off feels better in the 50e to me.
The overall acceleration in the 50e feels more linear.
Throttle response is tailored to the driver, when I first picked up my 50e the car would jump off the line without much input, after 2500 miles it behaves much differently. When I use my wife's fob/profile its noticeably different, she's a much more aggressive driver in this car.

[915M]

My 50e was 5/8 production and drove around 5000 miles and no problem at all too.
If you drive in urban setting and can charge it, I think 50e makes more sense. Driving in electric in the traffic is really smooth experience.
If you drive on highway most of time and has to have V8 then M60 might be good choice.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by mobsync

If my 50e does end up being a lemon, I will probably choose between duplicating my 50e order or spending a little more and getting an M60.

Anyone here driven both? Just wondering what the real world difference in feel is like. Mainly the throttle response difference. Would love to know the 50-70 times on both.

I have a new M60i and can tell you that it is an absolute beast from a standing start, a roll, where ever. Serious power delivered very seamlessly. Keep in mind that there is also a "mild" hybid system on top of the all new S68 "M" engine that adds 147 lb ft of torque out of the hole and where ever else it is called on to do so.
Strongly suggest going with the M60i unless you are set on this PHEV thing with all its downsides and complexities.
The M60i level X5 is a pay more get more proposition which was a no brainer for me.
Best of luck to you with what ever next vehicle you chose.

[FastMarkA]

Putting on my logic hat, it seems a better idea to weigh the PHEV vs ICE over the 50-70 acceleration rate, which is going to be nanoseconds different (it's not like you're comparing a base Toyota Corolla against M60i).

An M60i can lemon out just as easily as a 50e, so keep that in mind if selecting a different version of the X5 is an accidental tactic in lemon mitigation.

It sucks when a brand new car needs extra time in the shop; I've experienced those doldrums and it's never fun. But, in theory it doesn't matter if a car breaks at 500 miles or 10,000 miles...the warranty is there for a reason. Best to get it out of the way sooner than later!

[mobsync]

Originally Posted by FastMarkA

...the warranty is there for a reason. Best to get it out of the way sooner than later!

Yeah, this is most likely what will happen. Once finally repaired I get my current 50e back that has been checked out thoroughly and good to go for the long haul.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by FastMarkA

Putting on my logic hat, it seems a better idea to weigh the PHEV vs ICE over the 50-70 acceleration rate, which is going to be nanoseconds different (it's not like you're comparing a base Toyota Corolla against M60i).

An M60i can lemon out just as easily as a 50e, so keep that in mind if selecting a different version of the X5 is an accidental tactic in lemon mitigation.

It sucks when a brand new car needs extra time in the shop; I've experienced those doldrums and it's never fun. But, in theory it doesn't matter if a car breaks at 500 miles or 10,000 miles...the warranty is there for a reason. Best to get it out of the way sooner than later!

Don't kid yourself, there is NOT going to be "nanoseconds" difference in performance metrics between a 50e and an M60i, far from it. The M60i is a performance oriented vehicle and the 50e is not. No secret there.
The 50e is dragging a 1,000 lb boat anchor battery and has less power.
It would be logical to expect more issues, problems, warranty work, etc. with a 50e as it is much more complex with two drive systems and the electronic spaghetti bowl that goes along.

[Jongp3]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Don't kid yourself, there is NOT going to be "nanoseconds" difference in performance metrics between a 50e and an M60i, far from it. The M60i is a performance oriented vehicle and the 50e is not. No secret there.
The 50e is dragging a 1,000 lb boat anchor battery and has less power.
It would be logical to expect more issues, problems, warranty work, etc. with a 50e as it is much more complex with two drive systems and the electronic spaghetti bowl that goes along.

You're right in not "nanoseconds" more like tenths of a second, its not going to be much. But congrats you paid more to get the .2 seconds more

[aaaaaaaaaz]

If you are concerned about reliability, it does not seem logical to switch to M60i as BMW's V8 does not have the reputation as I6. Maybe a 40i would be a better choice if that is the metrics you are going for.

I do not see any point of X5 M60i - if you want a performance car that is fun to drive you go get a M3/4, if you want a comfortable SUV a regular X5 would do. If you want a serious performance SUV with great handling, then the only good option is the Cayenne S or above.

Maybe if you want to do drag race in an SUV? then maybe M60i?

[fr_tz]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Don't kid yourself, there is NOT going to be "nanoseconds" difference in performance metrics between a 50e and an M60i, far from it. The M60i is a performance oriented vehicle and the 50e is not. No secret there.
The 50e is dragging a 1,000 lb boat anchor battery and has less power.
It would be logical to expect more issues, problems, warranty work, etc. with a 50e as it is much more complex with two drive systems and the electronic spaghetti bowl that goes along.

We get it. You don’t like PHEVs. Just an FYI, we’re talking about just over 200 lbs of delta in curb weight between the 50e and M60i. Your bias is showing.

[marswalk00]

The 50e doesn't look that attractive without the $7500 tax incentive that the 45e had, plus its $6800 increase of msrp. The m60i with the new s68 v8 seems to be quite impressive. Also for me personally, rear wheel steering (IAS?) is a must have on SUV.

[FastMarkA]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Don't kid yourself, there is NOT going to be "nanoseconds" difference in performance metrics between a 50e and an M60i, far from it. The M60i is a performance oriented vehicle and the 50e is not. No secret there.
The 50e is dragging a 1,000 lb boat anchor battery and has less power.
It would be logical to expect more issues, problems, warranty work, etc. with a 50e as it is much more complex with two drive systems and the electronic spaghetti bowl that goes along.

We get you don't like PHEVs, but the M60i is hardly a simple vehicle with a 2 cylinder engine and 3-speed transmission. It, too, has a lot of systems that can fail and be just as much of a headache as a 50e.

[roamio]

Originally Posted by mobsync

If my 50e does end up being a lemon, I will probably choose between duplicating my 50e order or spending a little more and getting an M60.

Anyone here driven both? Just wondering what the real world difference in feel is like. Mainly the throttle response difference. Would love to know the 50-70 times on both.

Why did you pick 50e and not 40i or M60i? Because for you (and you only) 50e will provide perfect balance of whatever you are looking for in the car. Test drive M60i and make a decision. Ignore everything you read here because you are getting opinions of people with different requirements. Is 0-60 or 50-70 so important? I doubt.

*I drive M60i and not X5M because M60i provides everything I need in X5 so for me it's perfect car.

[GoldfishTX]

I landed on the 50e but heavily considered a m60. There were three features I missed by going this way that still sit in the back of my mind. The suspension with the active roll package, carbon interior trim, and rear wheel steering. The steering especially is a bummer, but it was going to be significantly more expensive to option the m60.

[mobilejo]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

I do not see any point of X5 M60i - if you want a performance car that is fun to drive you go get a M3/4, if you want a comfortable SUV a regular X5 would do. If you want a serious performance SUV with great handling, then the only good option is the Cayenne S or above.

Every car that can be thought of is a compromise in one way or another. You can render any car "pointless", by pointing to other cars that beat it in specific categories.

All cars are a collection of compromises, and there will always be a point to a particular combination of compromises because there will always be someone who finds that to be their goldilocks combination.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by marswalk00

The 50e doesn't look that attractive without the $7500 tax incentive that the 45e had, plus its $6800 increase of msrp. The m60i with the new s68 v8 seems to be quite impressive. Also for me personally, rear wheel steering (IAS?) is a must have on SUV.

Yes, I am with you on this. On top of this, my local electricity is very expansive, cost per mile, M60i will be lower for me than 50e. V8 is probably going away very soon, maybe one last chance to get one.

[Sergio_S]

Originally Posted by marswalk00

The 50e doesn't look that attractive without the $7500 tax incentive that the 45e had, plus its $6800 increase of msrp. The m60i with the new s68 v8 seems to be quite impressive. Also for me personally, rear wheel steering (IAS?) is a must have on SUV.

If you qualify for EV rebate you probably should go for a Tesla (my current car), not $100k BMW M60i. I began considering new X5 only after broke that $300k household income )

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Sergio_S

If you qualify for EV rebate you probably should go for a Tesla (my current car), not $100k BMW M60i. I began considering new X5 only after broke that $300k household income )

There is a huge difference (performance, luxury, quality, etc) between to the two. At least to me, and I assume many others, the dollars for the rebate would not be worth what I was giving up to go to Tesla.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

There is a huge difference (performance, luxury, quality, etc) between to the two. At least to me, and I assume many others, the dollars for the rebate would not be worth what I was giving up to go to Tesla.

agree. Tesla Y today, with all the rebate, a $40K car. It is the right price for the car to begin with. it really sucks for those who pay $67k one year ago

[FredBa]

The 2024 50e qualifies for $3,750 tax credit if kept under $80,000 MSRP (https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax2023.shtml).

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

Yes, I am with you on this. On top of this, my local electricity is very expansive, cost per mile, M60i will be lower for me than 50e. V8 is probably going away very soon, maybe one last chance to get one.

The M60i was the obvious choice for me and electricity is dirt cheap here in SW FL.
No bias against the 50e here. It simply is not what I am interested in at all. I just don't get the idea of spending over $80,000 for a vehicle so you can save a dollar or two a day and in some places nothing at all.
Whatever pleases you I guess.
I'm out of an M50i and into an M60i, could not be happier with my decision. This vehicle is fantastic on many different levels.
The folks here who see the M60i as only a model with the 4.4L TT S68 M engine are unaware that the package also includes all this in base upgrade price:

M Sport Package
M Sport exhaust system
M Sport brakes with blue calipers
M Sport differential
Adaptive M suspension
Integral Active Steering
M steering wheel
Front ventilated seats
Multi-contour seats
Full LED lights
Harman Kardon surround sound system
Head-up display
Aerodynamic kit
M Sport Brakes with Blue Calipers
Roof Rails in High gloss Black
Shadowline Exterior Trim
The M60i is actually an excellent value if you are one who can appreciate a premium luxury level SUV with great performance.

[TurtleBoy]

The M60i also has some differences due to the V8 and the M Performance aspect of it. The M50i/M60i has model-specific tuned kinematics and elasto-kinematics, suspension hardware and components to handle increased power output, eg: equipped with reinforced components compared to the standard chassis: a harder stabilizer, stiffer wishbones and harder rubber bearings.