[oh-robot-nyc]

Hi all,

Newly purchased 2024 X5 xDrive50e and was wondering about ACC. I know about the Driver Assistance Package but didn’t realize that even the more basic ACC isn’t standard.

My car has the MODE button on the steering wheel, I see the single front camera in the windshield (for collision avoidance, etc.), I see the lower grille sensor panel.

So two questions: When I press the MODE button on the steering wheel I get the message “Cruise Control only available.” So do they put this button on all the steering wheel’s even if it doesn’t do anything?

And second, with some of those things already in the car (camera, button, front grille panel), is it possible to get ACC added after (not the other Driver assist features [lane keeping and others as I know they need other sensors])?

Thanks!

[aaaaaaaaaz]

ACC is never standard unfortunately in terms of BMW.

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Originally Posted by oh-robot-nyc

Hi all,

Newly purchased 2024 X5 xDrive50e and was wondering about ACC. I know about the Driver Assistance Package but didn’t realize that even the more basic ACC isn’t standard.

My car has the MODE button on the steering wheel, I see the single front camera in the windshield (for collision avoidance, etc.), I see the lower grille sensor panel.

So two questions: When I press the MODE button on the steering wheel I get the message “Cruise Control only available.” So do they put this button on all the steering wheel’s even if it doesn’t do anything?

And second, with some of those things already in the car (camera, button, front grille panel), is it possible to get ACC added after (not the other Driver assist features [lane keeping and others as I know they need other sensors])?

Thanks!

For LCI vehicle, it does appear the car has required external radar sensor (the big one in lower bumper) installed on all cars at least in US.

However, it does not seem to have the "driver attention camera" on instrument cluster, nor the "green" hand-off light on the steering wheel.

Thus, I would guess in the future you may be able to purchase the ACC functionality (and maybe even with some lane keeping assist, that still require you have hands on wheel) but it does not seems likely they will offer the Highway Assist (handoff <85mph) due to the missing part.

[oh-robot-nyc]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

For LCI vehicle, it does appear the car has required external radar sensor (the big one in lower bumper) installed on all cars at least in US.

However, it does not seem to have the "driver attention camera" on instrument cluster, nor the "green" hand-off light on the steering wheel.

Thus, I would guess in the future you may be able to purchase the ACC functionality (and maybe even with some lane keeping assist, that still require you have hands on wheel) but it does not seems likely they will offer the Highway Assist (handoff <85mph) due to the missing part.

Question on the no Driver Attention Camera. In my iDrive settings there is the ability to configure driver attention warnings, so does that feature not require the attention camera?

[TurtleBoy]

As mentioned ACC was never standard. You have the hardware for it though and it should be available as a subscription feature in the future like it is in other models. The full DAP will not be available though.

ACC does not require the driver attention camera.

Edit: By the above I'm not saying the vehicle doesn't have the driver attention camera, I would think it does but never checked. The possible exception is when you are stopped at a light, if you are not looking ahead it will not move if you aren't paying attention.

[oh-robot-nyc]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

As mentioned ACC was never standard. You have the hardware for it though and it should be available as a subscription feature in the future like it is in other models. The full DAP will not be available though.

ACC does not require the driver attention camera.

Appreciate the info, thanks!

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Yea, want to make the clarification that by my visual inspection of a loaner car without DAP package it does not seem to have the hardware and from recording there is no light turns on. I might be wrong.

One thing I am certain is the steering wheel does not have the "green light" installed, which is very obvious. Thus full HA is likely not possible.

I also have not seen the subscription of ACC available for LCI yet on vehicles without the package, but since the outside sensor is there, I highly suspect they will allow subscription some time in the future as they already do for other models.

[calbears]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

Yea, want to make the clarification that by my visual inspection of a loaner car without DAP package it does not seem to have the hardware and from recording there is no light turns on. I might be wrong.

One thing I am certain is the steering wheel does not have the "green light" installed, which is very obvious. Thus full HA is likely not possible.

I also have not seen the subscription of ACC available for LCI yet on vehicles without the package, but since the outside sensor is there, I highly suspect they will allow subscription some time in the future as they already do for other models.

I'm not sure it will be as the "sensor" that there isn't connected to anything.

[aaaaaaaaaz]

I'm not sure it will be as the "sensor" that there isn't connected to anything.

I think that you might be right. For outside front big "sensor" the design and sensor cover is always there for LCI regardless of DAP is selected or not. (While for pre LCI and most BMW cars there are slightly different design for cars with / without the sensor, and I was assuming based on this.) However I am not sure if the real sensor is installed or it is just a plastic cover for this generation .

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by calbears

I'm not sure it will be as the "sensor" that there isn't connected to anything.

Are you saying that the hardware isn’t there to offer ACC as a subscription like they are doing for other series?

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Are you saying that the hardware isn’t there to offer ACC as a subscription like they are doing for other series?

I think he is mentioning the large sensor in the front might not be wired.

Pre-LCI car without DAP does not have that sensor at all, so if pre-LCI car can offer ACC subscription based on "parking assist" sensor, I don't think there is any blocker for LCI vehicle. Of course just a guess.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

I think he is mentioning the large sensor in the front might not be wired.

Pre-LCI car without DAP does not have that sensor at all, so if pre-LCI car can offer ACC subscription based on "parking assist" sensor, I don't think there is any blocker for LCI vehicle. Of course just a guess.

That is what I’m asking him about. Other models have it there and offer ACC subscription.

Pre-LCI does not offer it by subscription. It can’t since the radar is not there. Parking assist sensors have nothing to do with ACC.

[calbears]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Are you saying that the hardware isn’t there to offer ACC as a subscription like they are doing for other series?

that is my understanding, which is pretty short sighted

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by calbears

that is my understanding, which is pretty short sighted

Okay thanks, I was under the impression it was like the iX where the hardware is there and ACC is available by subscription. I agree, that seems to be short sighted.

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Originally Posted by calbears

that is my understanding, which is pretty short sighted

Ugh, that seems just cost saving for only make one lower bumper part rather than 2. TBH I find the sensor a bit ugly and for cars without DAP it sucks they still have to get the sensor design.

[javapro]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Okay thanks, I was under the impression it was like the iX where the hardware is there and ACC is available by subscription. I agree, that seems to be short sighted.

I think BMW decided to make all front bumpers look the same and there is nothing behind that radar sensor cover if the car doesn’t have DAP.

[sk03]

My previous post on this subject - https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...38&postcount=4

The user manual for x50e has this statement in the owner's manual on page 216 (Driver assistance systems)that gives some hope-

"This chapter describes model-specific equipment, systems, and functions that are currently available, or may become available in the future, even if they are not present in the vehicle."

They can't become available in the future if the sensors are not already in place,no ?

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by sk03

They can't become available in the future if the sensors are not already in place,no ?

It's possible that it's an easy plug-in module plus a s/w switch...don't know.

[sk03]

Can't say for sure but its likely going to be 100% s/w switch same as BMW's offering in other countries. Based on the hardware already installed -the full DAP Pro may not be possible.

BMW UK already has the "Driver Assistance Plus" and "Active Cruise Control with Stop and Go" as a subscription. Please see the link below

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/shop/ls/cp/connected-drive

[FredBa]

I hate the trend towards subscriptions and micro-transactions in the car industry with a passion

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by FredBa

I hate the trend towards subscriptions and micro-transactions in the car industry with a passion

The good news is that BMW has already stated that they will not be removing options from the build and only offering them as a subscription. This way we can build the vehicles as we want them and those that didn't can possibly get the options by subscription.