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      10-15-2020, 03:32 AM   #1
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Question X5 45e Specs Offline on BMW NA Websites???

Normally I'd write this off off as routine website maintenance - and maybe it is - but given the X5 45e problems going on I thought I'd post this...

I went out to the BMWUSA website to check on a spec and realized I couldn't get to the normal 45e specs page (specs should appear above the bottom nav bar):



So I checked the X5 40i, 50i, etc and they were there! I checked on multiple browsers and in cloaked-mode and it's the same behavior: features & specs for the other models, no 45e specs:



So then I went to the build page and checked the standard features and they're blank! Again, i checked multiple browsers, etc



So then I went out to BMW Canada's site and went to the specs page - the 45e is missing!



Then I went to the BMW.ca build page and checked the standard features and they're missing!



Again, all other models worked fine and specs were available ... I"m too lazy to check other countries, but it would seem BMW has taken the 45e's spec and standard features offline for all of North America ...

Could be website maintenance or ... could be some 45e changes are coming? Or worse? GOLFFRR any dealer scoop?

Is it possible BMW is going to stop sale of the x5 45e and/or make significant changes??
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      10-15-2020, 04:59 AM   #2
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45e still seems to be available on the Finnish site, but the configuration system has changed since I placed my order in July.
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45e still seems to be available on the Finnish site, but the configuration system has changed since I placed my order in July.
But can you still get to the 45e's "features & specs" section?

Does the site still have information like the horsepower of the e-motor, liters/kilometer, etc for the 45e??

That's the missing part in North America ...
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      10-15-2020, 05:18 AM   #4
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But can you still get to the 45e's "features & specs" section?

Does the site still have information like the horsepower of the e-motor, liters/kilometer, etc for the 45e??

That's the missing part in North America ...
Yes, the engine info is there (when you pick Build for X5).
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BMW Germany website still has the full technical specification, I have just checked it...

Edit: I have just checked the US website and it only shows the ICE horsepower now but the MPG and 0-60 numbers include the EV impact. All other PHEV models have their tech specs btw and remember the recall is for all PHEV models not just the X5...

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BMW Germany website still has the full technical specification, I have just checked it...

Edit: I have just checked the US website and it only shows the ICE horsepower now but the MPG and 0-60 numbers include the EV impact. All other PHEV models have their tech specs btw and remember the recall is for all PHEV models not just the X5...
Hmmm ... features & specs are still offline for the X5 45e, but not for the other three NA X5 models ... I would say given the length of time this feels like lawyers and/or the product team telling the tech teams to take the specs down for some reason ....
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      10-15-2020, 02:37 PM   #7
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Hmmm ... features & specs are still offline for the X5 45e, but not for the other three NA X5 models ... I would say given the length of time this feels like lawyers and/or the product team telling the tech teams to take the specs down for some reason ....
Unless they change the monroney sticker, I think people who are taking delivery can still sue BMW if the 45e is sold without a functioning HV battery. Hell, BMW could even be liable for tax fraud if the 45e is qualifying for the tax credit but cannot function as a PHEV. So I don't see how changing/hiding the website specs would provide legal cover for BMW...
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I don't see how changing/hiding the website specs would provide legal cover for BMW...
I guess you've never worked on a product team!

In short, whenever there's any question about the ongoing viability and/or integrity of a product, the lawyers move in to halt all marketing and publishing of the specs of said product - the first place this shows up is on the website.

In this case, what it could mean is that, to your point, while BMW will be liable for fulfilling the promise on the products they've already sold, they won't be liable for future products sold should they want to change the specs.

For example, think of the all of the options that are no longer on the 2021s - of course BMW must support them (and fulfill them) on vehicles delivered and/or still in production - they aren't liable to support or even provide those options on new products.

We may be seeing the beginning of the 2022 X5 45e with new specs which BMW has accelerated due to the 45e recalls.

So the question is, if that's the case, what's going to be lost or gained?

... and for those waiting for a new 45e, are they getting a gift (current features that won't be offered in the future) or a lemon?
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sounds like they are taking it back to testing. in dont know any other details. Ill have to ask my guys next time I talk to them. interesting no doubt
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You can see detailed specs for the X3 30e. However the description to 530e and 745e is very limited but still shows some specs about the ICE system. The 530e has no info about the battery system and 330e/745e just shows the battery capacity. Is the X3 30e not involved in the recall?
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However the description to 530e and 745e is very limited but still shows some specs about the ICE system. The 530e has no info about the battery system and 330e/745e just shows the battery capacity. Is the X3 30e not involved in the recall?
Yeah ... definitely looks like BMW is doing some rejiggering of their PHEVs in North America at least ...
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Since this thread is related to specs, does anyone know if there is any spec difference between US and EU besides the battery? E.g. ground clearance and etc
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Since this thread is related to specs, does anyone know if there is any spec difference between US and EU besides the battery? E.g. ground clearance and etc
Yes, you can configure the car with different options (color, interior materials, etc.). You can always select configure bmw uk or España in your internet browser. Some options are not available in US.
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In case anyone is looking for the specs before they took it offline...

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...language=en_US
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In case anyone is looking for the specs before they took it offline...

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...language=en_US
Thanks for sharing but it is interesting that they listed the max torque of the electric motor at 77 lb ft. The combined torque of 443 they listed doesn't add up with this figure since ICE torque is 331 lb ft. BMW Germany specs show a max torque of 195 lb ft for the electric motor.
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The specifications for BMW X5 45e are back on their US website. If you check BMW UK though, it says total torque is 600 N-m (442.5 lb-ft), Engine torque is 450 N-m (332 lb-ft) and Electric Engine torque is 265 N-m (195 lb-ft). If you add 450+265 = 715 N-m, so clearly that's wrong. The electric engine torque is 150 N-m (110 lb-ft). BMW US shows 77 lb-ft.

I initially thought maybe the electric torque is less in the US because the battery is limited to a lower capacity but, total torque should also be lower so I'm pretty sure they just messed up.
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The specifications for BMW X5 45e are back on their US website. If you check BMW UK though, it says total torque is 600 N-m (442.5 lb-ft), Engine torque is 450 N-m (332 lb-ft) and Electric Engine torque is 265 N-m (195 lb-ft). If you add 450+265 = 715 N-m, so clearly that's wrong. The electric engine torque is 150 N-m (110 lb-ft). BMW US shows 77 lb-ft.

I initially thought maybe the electric torque is less in the US because the battery is limited to a lower capacity but, total torque should also be lower so I'm pretty sure they just messed up.
Combustion engine and electric motors have different torque curves so maybe that is a factor and it is not a simple addition to calculate the combined max torque. It could also be such that electric motor puts out its max torque when the combustion engine isn't working and somehow when working together with the engine the electric torque output is limited.

Really I am just brainstorming but it is pretty obvious to me that an electric motor capable of producing 111 hp is not pushing out only 77 lbs ft of torque...

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Did anyone notice any difference between before and after for specs?
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Did anyone notice any difference between before and after for specs?
Looks exactly the same to me, at least all the key specs. HP, torque, EV range, battery pack size, 0-60 time etc.
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The specifications for BMW X5 45e are back on their US website. If you check BMW UK though, it says total torque is 600 N-m (442.5 lb-ft), Engine torque is 450 N-m (332 lb-ft) and Electric Engine torque is 265 N-m (195 lb-ft). If you add 450+265 = 715 N-m, so clearly that's wrong. The electric engine torque is 150 N-m (110 lb-ft). BMW US shows 77 lb-ft.

I initially thought maybe the electric torque is less in the US because the battery is limited to a lower capacity but, total torque should also be lower so I'm pretty sure they just messed up.
Combustion engine and electric motors have different torque curves so maybe that is a factor and it is not a simple addition to calculate the combined max torque. It could also be such that electric motor puts out its max torque when the combustion engine isn't working and somehow when working together with the engine the electric torque output is limited.

Really I am just brainstorming but it is pretty obvious to me that an electric motor capable of producing 111 hp is not pushing out only 77 lbs ft of torque...
That is correct. You can't just add both torque values.
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I have to agree with Moodyhank82... There is no way the car will move on electric mode only with those numbers. The electric motor should definitely be pushing out a lot more than 77lbs ft of torque.

Considering my 530e, which also has an electric motor rated at 111hp, the specs state it is pushing 184lbs ft.
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