45e Owners! (Kwh/100km challenge)

PeterPuitG · 08-20-2020, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hiluca

ASD performance in Belgium.

exact numbers are 530hp and 860nm
running on E95.

the E98 tune would give him 570hp and 930nm,
but he wanted to keep it safe and went for the E95 tune
He indeed seemed happy

570 hp and 930 nm of torque

That is amazing

But what if something goes wrong with the engine or hybrid setup? Warranty will be a tricky thing?
Or you need to do an OTA update quickly

Anyhow, will wait to hear a few more real world experiences first...

Heavyd · 08-20-2020, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterPuitG

Quote:

Originally Posted by hiluca

ASD performance in Belgium.

exact numbers are 530hp and 860nm
running on E95.

the E98 tune would give him 570hp and 930nm,
but he wanted to keep it safe and went for the E95 tune
He indeed seemed happy

570 hp and 930 nm of torque

That is amazing

But what if something goes wrong with the engine or hybrid setup? Warranty will be a tricky thing?
Or you need to do an OTA update quickly

Anyhow, will wait to hear a few more real world experiences first...

In case of problems let car be towed or drive to the tuner he will set the car back original. Or keep an OTA update always ready

Sirksael · 08-20-2020, 10:47 AM

I know we are deviating a way from the original topic, and I am by no means against chiptuning, but what I know for a fact is that with enough investigation a chiptuning is still detectable, even after wiping it.
One way is to look at the boost values stored in the car ECU. A chiptune increases power by (amongst other things) modifying maximum boost, so BMW will be able to detect boost values have been higher than factory spec.

Heavyd · 08-20-2020, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirksael

I know we are deviating a way from the original topic, and I am by no means against chiptuning, but what I know for a fact is that with enough investigation a chiptuning is still detectable, even after wiping it.
One way is to look at the boost values stored in the car ECU. A chiptune increases power by (amongst other things) modifying maximum boost, so BMW will be able to detect boost values have been higher than factory spec.

Yes I know. I chipped al my previous BMW's and never had any problem. I don't abuse the car, don't do streetraces, ...

The extra torque is nice and engine is smoother.
With a strong 6 cilinder I don't see any problem. If you're gonna chip a light 3 cilinder engine from a 1 serie that's asking for problems.

And like I said the 45e completely changed my driving style. But some extra punch now and then would be nice

Heavyd · 08-21-2020, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hiluca

ASD performance in Belgium.

exact numbers are 530hp and 860nm
running on E95.

the E98 tune would give him 570hp and 930nm,
but he wanted to keep it safe and went for the E95 tune
He indeed seemed happy

I contacted Asd Performance and they told me to bring the car with a full tank of E98. They didn't ask for a E95 or E98 tune.
So I asked them if I could still use E95 when they tune with E98. I'm not planning on using E98.

aceman · 08-21-2020, 06:18 AM

The 3.0 liter 6, is it the same as the 3.0 liter 6 in the 4.0 just de-tuned or are there major mech differences?

Sirksael · 08-21-2020, 07:03 AM

I understand from different things I have read and a BMW movie I have seen, it is identical but with some parts reinforced to accommodate sudden load on a cold engine better.

Pateeke81 · 08-21-2020, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by aceman

The 3.0 liter 6, is it the same as the 3.0 liter 6 in the 4.0 just de-tuned or are there major mech differences?

Stronger internal components for the 45e because the engine runs a lot in cold oil condition.

Pateeke81 · 08-21-2020, 07:09 AM

I'm always between 31 and 33 kwh/100km

PeterPuitG · 08-21-2020, 07:33 AM

Do you drive mostly in hybrid or full electric?
That makes a big difference as energy consuming hard acceleration is done on ICE in case of hyrbid.
I also tend to floor it in electric mode as it is already down on power. That gets me up to 38-40, even in these warm conditions

PeterPuitG · 08-21-2020, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Yes I know. I chipped al my previous BMW's and never had any problem. I don't abuse the car, don't do streetraces, ...

The extra torque is nice and engine is smoother.
With a strong 6 cilinder I don't see any problem. If you're gonna chip a light 3 cilinder engine from a 1 serie that's asking for problems.

And like I said the 45e completely changed my driving style. But some extra punch now and then would be nice

I agree, I also drive slower, but when I need to accelerate hard it often is on a cold engine. That is why I am unsure if I want to risk it

But those numbers... tempting!

Heavyd · 08-21-2020, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterPuitG

I agree, I also drive slower, but when I need to accelerate hard it often is on a cold engine. That is why I am unsure if I want to risk it

But those numbers... tempting!

I don't know if it's really cold. In hybrid mode I see regularly the ICE turning on for a very short while.

If you wanna go nuts you put it in sport

Pateeke81 · 08-21-2020, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterPuitG

Do you drive mostly in hybrid or full electric?
That makes a big difference as energy consuming hard acceleration is done on ICE in case of hyrbid.
I also tend to floor it in electric mode as it is already down on power. That gets me up to 38-40, even in these warm conditions

Electric in town and some b-roads, hybrid/sport individual on freeway

X5 45e · 08-21-2020, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterPuitG

Do you drive mostly in hybrid or full electric?
That makes a big difference as energy consuming hard acceleration is done on ICE in case of hyrbid.
I also tend to floor it in electric mode as it is already down on power. That gets me up to 38-40, even in these warm conditions

Electric individual as default at start up.

Electric around town and B roads if the total trip is within the range of the battery. If to long adaptive.

Highway usually adaptive with suspension lowered to sport level.

Sport in the mountains.

Sport and gear in sport when first at a red light next to a car that looks like it wants to race and I know I am faster.

I don't drive a lot in hybrid or eco pro. Someone knows advantages of these driving modes compared to adaptive?

kebiN · 08-21-2020, 11:48 AM

My stats from factory 6 month ownership

37.4 kWh/100km
7.1 l/100 km=39.79mpg
52% of total km electric.
Usually drive in electric.
Daily comute is short, my right foot is always heavy. I like to feel the torque of the electric engine.
Frequent weekend trips with 100 to 120 km, using ICE on highway and electric in towns.
Best mark driving like a grandpa on electric only:
23.8 kWh/100km
77.4 km

Great thread!

hiluca · 08-21-2020, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavyd

I contacted Asd Performance and they told me to bring the car with a full tank of E98. They didn't ask for a E95 or E98 tune.
So I asked them if I could still use E95 when they tune with E98. I'm not planning on using E98.

I'm just saying what that guy told me over a conversation on facebook.
Would be interesting to know what you will get out of the car, aswell as the stock engine values.

DOC.f · 08-23-2020, 04:11 PM

Just did a 1200km trip (South of France).
I started in hybrid eco, used electro motor untill highway. Once above 110km/h, only ICE switches on and electric charging when braking/slowing down. But I noticed the electric range declining while only using ICE!
Switched to adaptive mode and I have the impression this charges the battery better (brake energy) without consuming more petrol...
I had an average of 10,1 l/100km on petrol and 72 km on electric on a 1200km trip.

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Sirksael Private First Class 103 Rep 159 Posts Drives: X5 45e Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Belgium iTrader: (0)	I know we are deviating a way from the original topic, and I am by no means against chiptuning, but what I know for a fact is that with enough investigation a chiptuning is still detectable, even after wiping it. One way is to look at the boost values stored in the car ECU. A chiptune increases power by (amongst other things) modifying maximum boost, so BMW will be able to detect boost values have been higher than factory spec.
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aceman Second Lieutenant 110 Rep 209 Posts Drives: 2012 BMW 550ix, 2008 Corvette Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	The 3.0 liter 6, is it the same as the 3.0 liter 6 in the 4.0 just de-tuned or are there major mech differences?
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Sirksael Private First Class 103 Rep 159 Posts Drives: X5 45e Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Belgium iTrader: (0)	I understand from different things I have read and a BMW movie I have seen, it is identical but with some parts reinforced to accommodate sudden load on a cold engine better.
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Pateeke81 Second Lieutenant 87 Rep 250 Posts Drives: Current: 2019 BWM X5 45e Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Brussels, Belgium iTrader: (0)	I'm always between 31 and 33 kwh/100km Attached Images __________________ Current bike: 2017 BMW R1200R (White/Cordoba Blue) Current car: 2019 BMW X5 45e (Arktikgrau)
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PeterPuitG Private First Class 98 Rep 183 Posts Drives: BMW X5 45e Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: België iTrader: (0)	Do you drive mostly in hybrid or full electric? That makes a big difference as energy consuming hard acceleration is done on ICE in case of hyrbid. I also tend to floor it in electric mode as it is already down on power. That gets me up to 38-40, even in these warm conditions
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kebiN Private 21 Rep 61 Posts Drives: BMW X5 45e Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Portugal iTrader: (0)	My stats from factory 6 month ownership 37.4 kWh/100km 7.1 l/100 km=39.79mpg 52% of total km electric. Usually drive in electric. Daily comute is short, my right foot is always heavy. I like to feel the torque of the electric engine. Frequent weekend trips with 100 to 120 km, using ICE on highway and electric in towns. Best mark driving like a grandpa on electric only: 23.8 kWh/100km 77.4 km Great thread! Attached Images
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DOC.f New Member 3 Rep 12 Posts Drives: BMW X5 G05 Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: België iTrader: (0)	Just did a 1200km trip (South of France). I started in hybrid eco, used electro motor untill highway. Once above 110km/h, only ICE switches on and electric charging when braking/slowing down. But I noticed the electric range declining while only using ICE! Switched to adaptive mode and I have the impression this charges the battery better (brake energy) without consuming more petrol... I had an average of 10,1 l/100km on petrol and 72 km on electric on a 1200km trip.
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