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      07-07-2014, 02:05 PM   #1
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H&R Lowering Springs With Adaptive Suspension

I need some insight. I'm considering picking up the H&R springs that are available but not sure if that's a good idea, being that my M4 is coming in with Adaptive Suspension. I would like to wait for KW, but not sure how long the wait is. All I wanna do is lower the car a bit and keep as much comfort in the ride as possible without it interfering with my adaptive susp.
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I said it before and I'll say it again. The car is perfect, why mess with perfection?
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I said it before and I'll say it again. The car is perfect, why mess with perfection?
Same reason the competition package from bmw will lower the car, it might not be perfect to everyone.
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Same reason the competition package from bmw will lower the car, it might not be perfect to everyone.
That's different. They are doing, not a third party. If it comes from the factory with that type of upgrade I'm all for it.
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I need some insight. I'm considering picking up the H&R springs that are available but not sure if that's a good idea, being that my M4 is coming in with Adaptive Suspension. I would like to wait for KW, but not sure how long the wait is. All I wanna do is lower the car a bit and keep as much comfort in the ride as possible without it interfering with my adaptive susp.
Wait for the KW.
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Wait for the KW.
Please explain to me the difference. H&R springs vs KW? with the adaptive suspension.
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Please explain to me the difference. H&R springs vs KW? with the adaptive suspension.
So H&R makes a great product, no doubt. I had their sport springs on my E46. I ended up getting the KW coilovers for my E92 because not only did it handle way better (and give me adjustability), but it also had an EDC option to retain the EDC functionality. I had EDC on the E92 and also ordered the Adaptive suspension this time around so it's a safe assumption that KW will come out with that on this model as well.
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So H&R makes a great product, no doubt. I had their sport springs on my E46. I ended up getting the KW coilovers for my E92 because not only did it handle way better (and give me adjustability), but it also had an EDC option to retain the EDC functionality. I had EDC on the E92 and also ordered the Adaptive suspension this time around so it's a safe assumption that KW will come out with that on this model as well.
Gotcha. Thanks.
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Gotcha. Thanks.
Yessir! I just think it's smart to save the $400 now (if you install yourself) and put it towards something better later. I cant tell you how many people I know who pay multiple times for the same thing, just because they werent patient...Im struggling myself to do that.
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I said it before and I'll say it again. The car is perfect, why mess with perfection?
Nothing is ever perfect. The suspension sucks under hard driving. If you think the car is perfect, good for you. However, do not impose that on everybody.
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Nothing is ever perfect. The suspension sucks under hard driving. If you think the car is perfect, good for you. However, do not impose that on everybody.
The car is perfect under the conditions I intend to drive it. There, happy?
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The car is perfect under the conditions I intend to drive it. There, happy?
Again, like I've said. Good for you.
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Yessir! I just think it's smart to save the $400 now (if you install yourself) and put it towards something better later. I cant tell you how many people I know who pay multiple times for the same thing, just because they werent patient...Im struggling myself to do that.
Key word.. patience. Its very hard to have patience with a new car.
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Key word.. patience. Its very hard to have patience with a new car.
Definitely. I don't mind rolling monster truck status for a while to save myself $400
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Key word.. patience. Its very hard to have patience with a new car.
Definitely. I don't mind rolling monster truck status for a while to save myself $400
I agree. I'm itching for suspension. Hopefully they will have something next month. That's when all my parts arrive. I hate July
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Why do people think that a simple lowering will improve the handling of the car. BMW took months and miles to fine tune the suspension. Once you change something your throwing all that away and you will be riding around on a home made setup.
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Why do people think that a simple lowering will improve the handling of the car. BMW took months and miles to fine tune the suspension. Once you change something your throwing all that away and you will be riding around on a home made setup.
Thank you.
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Why do people think that a simple lowering will improve the handling of the car. BMW took months and miles to fine tune the suspension. Once you change something your throwing all that away and you will be riding around on a home made setup.
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Thank you.
I'm just going to go ahead and say that for everyday use, you could probably validate the thought process of the both of you (and the other 97% of people who never bring their cars for the track)

However, go to any track with both cars equally the same and the same driver except one with stock suspension vs. one to a corner balanced coilover setup and I guarantee the coilover setup car wins. 100% of the time. It's not simply just "lowering" as you speak when done properly.
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Thank you.
They put H&R springs on the DTM safety car.... I guess they RUINED that car too?

According to you, BMW let them turn that car into a homemade backyard project?

If you say it ruins the handling of the car - where is your proof? How do you know it doesn't simply tighten up the suspension a bit and is well within reasonable tolerances? How do you know it won't help when pushed hard on a track?

How do you know BMW doesn't accept some compromises with stock spring rate to make the car more livable?

Not speculation or a hunch... where is your proof? Otherwise you're simply stating your unfounded and unproven theories and opinions on a public forum.
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Thanx guys.
I jus wanna lower the car. I have these 20" Vorsteiners coming in and I jus want it to look good without compromising the ride too much, plus I wanna be able to use the adaptive suspension. Thanx again
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Why do people think that a simple lowering will improve the handling of the car. BMW took months and miles to fine tune the suspension. Once you change something your throwing all that away and you will be riding around on a home made setup.
you are completely right...that is why BMW's race team drives a stock M3/M4. there is nothing that can be done to this perfect car! come on man!!!!
So suspension companies like KW and Ohlins will ruin the drive and handling??? have you ever driven an M with either of the two suspensions? just wondering. if so, then your comments are your opinion. if not, then you are just speculating.

and to call it a "home made setup" is just plain stupid.

We all need to remember that there are regulations when it comes to new vehicles and the reason the car sits high is due to them. not BMW's fine tuning. trust me, the M series stands for Motorsports and if there wasn't regulations these cars would be different.

Why must people come on here and tell others they are doing wrong. why not just let people enjoy their cars the way they want too.
I'm not a fan of Chryslers on 22" chrome wheels with lambo doors, but its the owners choice and its cool they have a hobby. leave it at that.
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Thanx guys.
I jus wanna lower the car. I have these 20" Vorsteiners coming in and I jus want it to look good without compromising the ride too much, plus I wanna be able to use the adaptive suspension. Thanx again
Respect for being straightforward about what you want and not couching it as a performance improvement, which would be a low percentage guess at best.

Nothing wrong with dropping the car for looks, although the slammed cars look idiotic to me. I'd drive circles around them at the track.

I put Dinan springs on my E90 M3, looked better but drove worse. It became less comfortable with decreased travel, sagged over time, rode on the bumpstops more...no improvement on lap times on a track I'm a member at. Car needed more damping, which would have made it even worse as a DD. Improvement almost always means giving something else up.

I had a Cayman S with KW V3 and then Clubsports, dropped, Hoosiers, Brembo BBK, etc...great track car but annoying on the street, if not painful.

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