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Any disadvantages to running straight E85? I've got an inline pump...
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06-24-2016, 11:56 PM | #1 |
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Any disadvantages to running straight E85? I've got an inline pump...
I'm getting tired of mixing gas when I have to fill up and planning my trips around it. Is there any way I could just pump straight E85?
I have an inline pump (I know, it's not rated for E85 but it works) and a custom E60-70 tune via MHD. I realize there is a point of diminishing returns with E85, ie no extra power can be had but it would really simply things if I could just fill up without worrying about that last 3-4 gallons being 91 pump gas. Thanks
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It just comes down to fuel demand. You may have to detune to keep fuel demands in check if you have a tune truly dialed in for e60-70 which works be counter productive. Fuel demand and poor gas mileage are the primary obstacles
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06-25-2016, 01:46 AM | #3 |
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No you can't. You'll get fuel mixture codes and most likely go into limp mode because your stage 1 LPFP will not be able to supply your HPFP with enough fuel. It takes an extra 3 mins to add a few gallons of 91 so your best bet is to continue mixing. Your cheapest alternative is to switch to the stage 2 LPFP and add TBI for straight E85.
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As I understood it, the only reason why I got the stage 1 lpfp was because the tune would be demanding more fuel and therefore a secondary pump was needed to supplement the supply of fuel. God I'm such a noob. Quote:
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06-25-2016, 02:11 PM | #7 |
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I am jealous, your hpfp and lpfp looks really strong. I think you can trying increasing the amount of E85 and see how your system handles it. You need to have your tune adjusted first.
Your tune is currently too lean so you need to adjust that. When you run Ethanol, you need to run a little more rich. So with pure E85 would would want to target 11.8:1 afr. But since most stations aren't pure E85, target around 12.2:1 and you should be good. If your tuner doesn't know this, switch to someone else. The DME will add more fuel automatically to keep your afr at the target level. I think your target is set too lean, so fix that first. |
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VRSF 7". Pretty sure it was a really hot day. It starts at 95F and ends at 109F for that run. ~14F delta.
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Yeah good point. I'll point it out to my tuner.
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The most common problem of running straight E85 is high pressure fuel pump, I would recommend those who want run straight E85 for long period of time or daily get a port injection system, it would be much more reliable.
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I contacted my tuner and he agrees lol.
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I don't have that issue thankfully.
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Max power for ethanol is .86 lambda. In gas AFR that's 12.6. I know the n54 community actually targets more like a 12.8-12.9 AFR on e85 because of the DI the engine can run a little leaner than port injected cars. I prefer to stick to the 12.6 AFR on mine.
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As for AFRs, upper 12s is what I target. |
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OP, As for the information given, you should discuss with your tuner as he is the one who is working with your setup and will be the one who needs to make the changes to accommodate different mixes or straight e85. your LPFP setup (if healthy) should be able to handle straight e85 and the HPFP should be what limits your fueling ability. sounds like you are doing it correctly sneaking up on it. to determine where the tipping point is. as a side note, I grabbed a gas caddy 14 gallon tank with pump nozzle online and it fits nicely in the trunk (335i), could actually fit two probably, but I am also 40 miles away from the nearest station. I premix the gas in the caddy so I get almost two fillups per trip. helps alot. just need something elevated to put it on as it is gravity feed after you start the flow. very nice setup for $120. Chris |
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06-27-2016, 12:14 PM | #19 |
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don't listen to the naysayers, I have been 100% e85 for quite some time, back with jb4/be mhd and now 100% MHD.
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