[E60525d]

I am planning on installing a bit ten.

Question, if I only have 2 inputs (fl and fr), how many outputs will I get?

Can I get 4 or will it just be 2?

Thanks

[t3chnobrat]

Hey man. What's your audio set up now?

[E60525d]

Originally Posted by E60525d

I am planning on installing a bit ten.

Question, if I only have 2 inputs (fl and fr), how many outputs will I get?

Can I get 4 or will it just be 2?

Thanks

Originally Posted by t3chnobrat

Hey man. What's your audio set up now?

Standard at the moment.

Anyone able to help regarding the Audison outputs?

[t3chnobrat]

Ok so im assuming you mean just a base oem system. you're probably going to use the high level / speaker level inputs. In that case, you'll actually have 4 inputs. FR FL RR RL and that unit will give you 5 outputs. Same as your inputs but with the addition of a dedicated subwoofer channel. Are you just looking for something to clean up the sound?

[E60525d]

Thanks.

Yes base at the moment but I am planning on adding,

L7 mids + tweeters
L7 subs
4 channel amp to power front mids and subs
Audison Bit ten

The rear speakers will continue to be powered from the HU.

Therefore only 2 inputs (FL+FR) will go into the audison.

So my question is, how many outputs will this give me, 2 or 4?

I need 4 as I will be using a 4 channel amp.

[t3chnobrat]

Originally Posted by E60525d

Thanks.

Yes base at the moment but I am planning on adding,

L7 mids + tweeters
L7 subs
4 channel amp to power front mids and subs
Audison Bit ten

The rear speakers will continue to be powered from the HU.

Therefore only 2 inputs (FL+FR) will go into the audison.

So my question is, how many outputs will this give me, 2 or 4?

I need 4 as I will be using a 4 channel amp.

You'll technically see 3 outputs then. A stereo pair for the doors and you can use the sub out for the underseat subs. Sub outs are typically mono since bass is non directional. If your amp doesnt have a mono/stereo switch for channel 3/4 the you could probably just use a y adapter.

[E60525d]

As there are 2 subs, I was going to use the RL + RR output from Audison and send that to the amp.

[t3chnobrat]

Ill have to look at its manual again to be sure. I took a quick look last night. That kit looked like it may have assignable in outs since its basically a dsp, dac, xover and eq. TO be totally honest (i am kind of an audio snob) , the unit seems very functional and has some cool options, but imo anything that taughts itself as audiophile gear and uses high level inputs, is not going to give you an audiophile experience. If you were mainly using it with line level inputs and are running a legit 5 ch set up and using the xover and all the dsp functions, you'll hear the benefits. What made you choose the bit 10?

[mathematics]

you will get all 5 outputs (not sure why they call it a bit 10 and not a bit 5 lol), or go wth a Helix instead =)

[kaigoss69]

Originally Posted by E60525d

I am planning on installing a bit ten.

Question, if I only have 2 inputs (fl and fr), how many outputs will I get?

Can I get 4 or will it just be 2?

Thanks

Sounds like YOU should not be the one installing...this is a complicated product, and you don't know the basics. Not trying to be a prick, just telling you to go to a pro now will be a lot easier.

[135]

Originally Posted by E60525d

I am planning on installing a bit ten.

Question, if I only have 2 inputs (fl and fr), how many outputs will I get?

Can I get 4 or will it just be 2?

Thanks

Originally Posted by mathematics

you will get all 5 outputs (not sure why they call it a bit 10 and not a bit 5 lol), or go wth a Helix instead =)

As mathematics said, you'll get all five output channels by using the FL and FR as high level inputs due to auto-summing.

[135]

Originally Posted by kaigoss69

Sounds like YOU should not be the one installing...this is a complicated product, and you don't know the basics. Not trying to be a prick, just telling you to go to a pro now will be a lot easier.

The physical installation/wiring of the Bit Ten is not complicated - tuning can be if you don't know what you're doing.

Asking questions, even if they seem basic to some, is how we all learn.

E60525d, if you can find someone to walk you through the tuning, and you can understand what they're talking about and repeat it, then you're one step closer to being able to do it yourself next time, e.g. if you want to fine-tune it.

[kaigoss69]

Originally Posted by 135

The physical installation/wiring of the Bit Ten is not complicated - tuning can be if you don't know what you're doing.

Asking questions, even if they seem basic to some, is how we all learn.

E60525d, if you can find someone to walk you through the tuning, and you can understand what they're talking about and repeat it, then you're one step closer to being able to do it yourself next time, e.g. if you want to fine-tune it.

Umh no. That's almost like saying I'm going to show you how to fly this airplane once, and next time you can do it yourself. LOL

[csu87]

everyone has to do their first install once.

OP take your time and make sure you do exactly as shown in the install and tuning guides.

you can set the Bit-10 up to only utilize 2 inputs and output all 5 outputs

Read through the manual and all the online info on the bit-10

[6spdcoupe]

Originally Posted by t3chnobrat

Ill have to look at its manual again to be sure. I took a quick look last night. That kit looked like it may have assignable in outs since its basically a dsp, dac, xover and eq. TO be totally honest (i am kind of an audio snob) , the unit seems very functional and has some cool options, but imo anything that taughts itself as audiophile gear and uses high level inputs, is not going to give you an audiophile experience. If you were mainly using it with line level inputs and are running a legit 5 ch set up and using the xover and all the dsp functions, you'll hear the benefits. What made you choose the bit 10?

Can you tell me, specifically, what is wrong with 'high level' inputs ? Or the difference from 'high level' to 'low level' even ? I'm a bit of an audio snob too.

[135]

Originally Posted by kaigoss69

Umh no. That's almost like saying I'm going to show you how to fly this airplane once, and next time you can do it yourself. LOL

That's a ridiculous analogy.

Learning to tune a Bit Ten is more akin to being walked-through how to create/tune a BEF using TunerPro and then being able to work off that base and fine-tune it yourself - completely possible if you understand what is being explained.

I didn't say "get someone to show you and you'll be able to do it all by yourself next time".
This is what I wrote (with added emphasis):

Originally Posted by 135

if you can find someone to walk you through the tuning, and you can understand what they're talking about and repeat it, then you're one step closer to being able to do it yourself next time, e.g. if you want to fine-tune it.

Some people will be able to understand the process and replicate, others won't. It's not for us to say which category the OP fits into.
Instead of judging, how about we ask the OP what experience he has in installs and if he feels comfortable installing and tuning (or learning how to tune) it himself. He may have been recommended the Bit Ten by someone or he may have come to the conclusion himself after research (in which case, he quite possibly had an understanding of what was available in that segment already). We won't know if we don't ask.

E60525d?

[kaigoss69]

Originally Posted by 135

That's a ridiculous analogy.

My analogy used ridicule, to make my point. Look, I have been around car audio for nearly 30 years. I will not touch a processor like the Bit1 or Bit10 or whatever with a 10-foot pole. Why? - Because I am not experienced enough to properly "tweak" it to my satisfaction. Sure, anybody can get to a certain baseline with enough reading and trial and error, but it takes a trained audiophile ear, in combination with a thorough knowledge of the functions of the processor as well as the install and set-up of the equipment, in order to take it to a level worthy of the equipment, and arrive at an expert tune that is satisfactory to the end user. Ask any expert tuner, and they will tell you that even they require days if not weeks or months to arrive at a satisfactory tune. Many car audio shops will "tune" the car for you in a few hours, but the results often leave a lot to be desired.

What is ridiculous is the notion that an average Joe can read through the manual and get a little help from the forum and then somehow be on his way of becoming a decent tuner. Ain't gonna happen. This shit is complex and takes a lot of experience and skill, and especially time! These processors that require manual tuning should only be handled by experts. Let's not forget that the OP did not even know that the processor could create multiple pairs of outputs from a single stereo input - that is some very basic stuff right there and the learning curve would be a very, very steep one.

[135]

Originally Posted by kaigoss69

My analogy used ridicule, to make my point. Look, I have been around car audio for nearly 30 years. I will not touch a processor like the Bit1 or Bit10 or whatever with a 10-foot pole. Why? - Because I am not experienced enough to properly "tweak" it to my satisfaction. Sure, anybody can get to a certain baseline with enough reading and trial and error, but it takes a trained audiophile ear, in combination with a thorough knowledge of the functions of the processor as well as the install and set-up of the equipment, in order to take it to a level worthy of the equipment, and arrive at an expert tune that is satisfactory to the end user. Ask any expert tuner, and they will tell you that even they require days if not weeks or months to arrive at a satisfactory tune. Many car audio shops will "tune" the car for you in a few hours, but the results often leave a lot to be desired.

What is ridiculous is the notion that an average Joe can read through the manual and get a little help from the forum and then somehow be on his way of becoming a decent tuner. Ain't gonna happen. This shit is complex and takes a lot of experience and skill, and especially time! These processors that require manual tuning should only be handled by experts. Let's not forget that the OP did not even know that the processor could create multiple pairs of outputs from a single stereo input - that is some very basic stuff right there and the learning curve would be a very, very steep one.

Did you read and comprehend what I wrote in my last two posts? Where did I mention, or imply, that reading the manual and going to the forum for help will magically allow the OP to be able to tune it? But those avenues are a starting point. I said "find someone to walk you through the tuning", i.e. someone that has experience that can act as a mentor.

People should feel free to ask questions of the forum and not be judged for it. That is the purpose of a forum - to be able to discuss topics of common interest.
How do we know what experience the OP has? Perhaps he's had processors before and just dropped in to ask a quick question specifically about the Bit Ten.

I think you overstate what is needed for a lot of forum members here, particularly those that are a novice in car audio - they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a decent tune and a finely-tuned system to the nth degree... and they don't need to - most will be happy enough just to have higher sound quality in their car.
Processors are just a means to an end. Are there other (and easier and/or less expensive) ways to do that? Sure but it's up to the individual to choose the path they go down with their equipment/install.

Depending on the installed components, one or two full days is sufficient for an initial (90-something %) tune.
Spending one or two hours every week/fortnight over a couple months to fine-tune it is okay but, in the first place, the owner needs to be able to discern a difference between the initial tune and subsequent revisions and a lot of people won't be able to. After the first tune, they'll just say "Wow! That sounds amazing!"

In my experience with the Bit Ten (and other DSPs), it's not so complex that it's incomprehensible as to what needs to be done to tune it, therefore, while it might not be easy to tune, and you really do need some specialised equipment (or access to someone who does) to make the most of it, it's also not overly difficult either to the extent that you can't or won't be able to do it to your satisfaction. Obviously, it'll take you longer to tune than a pro but you'll get the satisfaction of having done it yourself and having learnt something in the process. If someone is still not happy with the tune or it does seem all too complex then, by all means, visit a pro that has experience with the product but manually tuning a DSP does not need to remain the sole domain of a pro tuner.

[ctuna]

I can see where it might take a lot of hours but not
impossible.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by kaigoss69

My analogy used ridicule, to make my point. Look, I have been around car audio for nearly 30 years. I will not touch a processor like the Bit1 or Bit10 or whatever with a 10-foot pole. Why? - Because I am not experienced enough to properly "tweak" it to my satisfaction. Sure, anybody can get to a certain baseline with enough reading and trial and error, but it takes a trained audiophile ear, in combination with a thorough knowledge of the functions of the processor as well as the install and set-up of the equipment, in order to take it to a level worthy of the equipment, and arrive at an expert tune that is satisfactory to the end user. Ask any expert tuner, and they will tell you that even they require days if not weeks or months to arrive at a satisfactory tune. Many car audio shops will "tune" the car for you in a few hours, but the results often leave a lot to be desired.

What is ridiculous is the notion that an average Joe can read through the manual and get a little help from the forum and then somehow be on his way of becoming a decent tuner. Ain't gonna happen. This shit is complex and takes a lot of experience and skill, and especially time! These processors that require manual tuning should only be handled by experts. Let's not forget that the OP did not even know that the processor could create multiple pairs of outputs from a single stereo input - that is some very basic stuff right there and the learning curve would be a very, very steep one.

if youve been in car audio for 30 years and wouldnt be able to tune a processor, youve been doing it wrong. Makes sense why you would use a JBL MS8.

I did SPL competitively for years before switching to the SQ side. Installed and tuned my processor myself, with a little help from the pros, which took several several hours to get perfect, and then subsequently went and won an SQ comp with that setup.

you are making this sound like it is impossible for anyone to do, which is complete BS. All the info is out there to accurately tune, stage, fine tune, and finer tune. All it takes is a willingness to do it and the ability to learn.

Its no different from tuning your own car; something else that i have no formal training in and have learned through trial and error and research. The amount of info available to anyone, and the amount of people willing to help, make tuning processors, and cars, something that any average joe can do. Not to mention the amount of apps and tuning devices readily available that can help you nail the "perfect" sound