air scoops

32valves · 10-21-2016, 06:43 AM

has anyone put air scoops on there car, and have you seen any benefits for air getting rammed to the turbos?

chau · 10-21-2016, 07:05 AM

lol here we go...

32valves · 10-21-2016, 07:12 AM

nevermind I did a search on this forum...

BB_cuda · 10-21-2016, 08:00 AM

32, it's too late. You're in for it now 😎

32valves · 10-21-2016, 08:17 AM

I tried to delete it but no happs.

Anyways I ordered some Macht Schnell scoops yedterday, and didn't think to research it but I probably should have ordered a water/meth controller instead.
I'm still running a Hobbs switch, oh well...

32valves · 10-21-2016, 08:19 AM

at least they look better than the other brands...

TorqueAddict · 10-21-2016, 08:19 AM

I dont know whay there is such a hate for scoops. They add HP and Puerto Rican 335d has proved it. Plus they get you laid.

32valves · 10-21-2016, 08:21 AM

when I did my search, there were more negative comments than positive. lol

GottaBeKD · 10-21-2016, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 32valves

when I did my search, there were more negative comments than positive. lol

Don't listen to those non believers... Get the red ones... I think its been scientifically proven that the red paint used has similar properties to the lubricant used by Clark Griswold on the sled disc allowing for reduced friction and increased ram effect. Just ask PR about it.

larrysing · 10-21-2016, 08:52 AM

HAHA Red scoops cost me a hole in my condenser and a $925 repair bill !!

Although on my daughter's car we have some ECS ones that DON'T rub in the back and do look BITCHIN !!

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-21-2016, 11:49 AM

jajaja you guys aint shit. ,mines are still on and they do work properly jajajajaja

lnxguy · 10-21-2016, 12:52 PM

Lol ram air turbos

135i_vs_ · 10-21-2016, 01:13 PM

Lol, must say, I had them on my 135i mainly for aesthetic purposes since I had a red interior. Of course I was curious if they would provide any benefit or not.

On the 135i, I felt it was pointless, as the air was already channeled nicely into the intake, forced by the twin turbos. I really don't think I felt a noticeable difference.

There are a few independent dyno graphs from the skeptics of these products, however, it is on an N/A V10 M5 and V8 M3, claims ranging from 4-14hp.

Seems they are effective at higher speeds to channel air for N/A engines.

Yet to see any hp+ claims with dyno for turbo charged cars.

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-21-2016, 01:41 PM

135i_vs_ I concur w you its noticeable at higher speeds as far as dyno I never did do it.

Nadir Point · 10-21-2016, 02:52 PM

I was thinking about something like a combo cowl-induction/pro-stock setup like this:

Hoooper · 10-21-2016, 04:00 PM

OP your mistake was not getting the RED SCOOPS those are the most effective, plus they will leave you with NO CODES!!

Puerto Rican 335d · 10-22-2016, 07:15 AM

Yep red ones and no codes haters jajaja

nicklockard · 10-23-2016, 12:32 PM

The limitation is the TINY holes which are in the horizontal plane. Their surface area (or port size) to pass air is significantly smaller than the 3" diameter intake tubing.

Also the air has to take a two 90 degree bends in rapid succession. One is un-radiused or virtually instantaneous--the transition from outside, horizontally oriented, laminar-flow air to quickly vertical, then a radiused transition to horizontal again into the airbox. This is to keep bugs, large debris, and heavier objects out of the airbox. I believe it was also designed this way to take outside, pressurized, laminar flow air and transition it to turbulent flow (increased massflow rate) and for sound abatement.

If you can open up these holes to exceed the port flow area of the tubing behind it, then perhaps your scoops could begin to make a difference.

Frediesel · 10-24-2016, 09:47 AM

Rapid succession, horizontal and red lipstick on DSLs- got it.

dzlmoose · 10-24-2016, 10:19 AM

Chicks dig guys with Red Scoops and no codes.

nicklockard · 10-24-2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Frediesel

Rapid succession, horizontal and red lipstick on DSLs- got it.

Yeah, whatever gains *could* theoretically be there are buried behind doing other mods first. I will not be the first to hog out those holes. Please, someone else do the testing

TDIwyse · 10-24-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nicklockard

Yeah, whatever gains *could* theoretically be there are buried behind doing other mods first. I will not be the first to hog out those holes. Please, someone else do the testing

Your comments about the OEM setup were right on the money. But, it is pretty easy to improve things a lot and keep the stock filter.

Lots of testing and data in this thread:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1179619

10-21-2016, 06:43 AM	#1
32valves Captain 109 Rep 934 Posts Drives: 2011 335d sport Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: DC area iTrader: (0)	air scoops has anyone put air scoops on there car, and have you seen any benefits for air getting rammed to the turbos?
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chau Second Lieutenant 28 Rep 234 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	lol here we go...
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10-21-2016, 08:00 AM	#4
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10-21-2016, 08:17 AM	#5
32valves Captain 109 Rep 934 Posts Drives: 2011 335d sport Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: DC area iTrader: (0)	I tried to delete it but no happs. Anyways I ordered some Macht Schnell scoops yedterday, and didn't think to research it but I probably should have ordered a water/meth controller instead. I'm still running a Hobbs switch, oh well...
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10-21-2016, 08:19 AM	#6
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10-21-2016, 08:19 AM	#7
TorqueAddict Lieutenant 171 Rep 504 Posts Drives: 340i - 335D Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Barrie, ON iTrader: (0)	I dont know whay there is such a hate for scoops. They add HP and Puerto Rican 335d has proved it. Plus they get you laid. __________________ JR Auto tune and Bohl Diesel Downpipe - KWv2 coils - Apex Racing 18" EC7 wheels wrapped in Michelin PSS 245/275 F/R - Zimmerman cross drilled rotors F/R with Hawk HPS pads - SS brake lines - Motul RBF 600 - ADD W1 oil catch can - BMW performance CF spoiler
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32valves Captain 109 Rep 934 Posts Drives: 2011 335d sport Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: DC area iTrader: (0)	when I did my search, there were more negative comments than positive. lol
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10-21-2016, 08:52 AM	#10
larrysing First Lieutenant 95 Rep 308 Posts Drives: 2011 335d M-Sport, Nav/Blinds Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Arlington, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW 335d [0.00]	HAHA Red scoops cost me a hole in my condenser and a $925 repair bill !! Although on my daughter's car we have some ECS ones that DON'T rub in the back and do look BITCHIN !!
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10-21-2016, 11:49 AM	#11
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	jajaja you guys aint shit. ,mines are still on and they do work properly jajajajaja __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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10-21-2016, 12:52 PM	#12
lnxguy Lieutenant Colonel 357 Rep 1,723 Posts Drives: 2009 335D Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Barrie iTrader: (1)	Lol ram air turbos
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10-21-2016, 01:13 PM	#13
135i_vs_ Captain 72 Rep 697 Posts Drives: M5, 135i, 335d, F10 550xi Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	Do they work? Lol, must say, I had them on my 135i mainly for aesthetic purposes since I had a red interior. Of course I was curious if they would provide any benefit or not. On the 135i, I felt it was pointless, as the air was already channeled nicely into the intake, forced by the twin turbos. I really don't think I felt a noticeable difference. There are a few independent dyno graphs from the skeptics of these products, however, it is on an N/A V10 M5 and V8 M3, claims ranging from 4-14hp. Seems they are effective at higher speeds to channel air for N/A engines. Yet to see any hp+ claims with dyno for turbo charged cars. Attached Images
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10-21-2016, 01:41 PM	#14
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	135i_vs_ I concur w you its noticeable at higher speeds as far as dyno I never did do it. __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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10-21-2016, 02:52 PM	#15
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10-21-2016, 04:00 PM	#16
Hoooper Colonel 213 Rep 2,210 Posts Drives: 335D Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Petaluma, CA iTrader: (0)	OP your mistake was not getting the RED SCOOPS those are the most effective, plus they will leave you with NO CODES!!
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10-22-2016, 07:15 AM	#17
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 229 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	Yep red ones and no codes haters jajaja __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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10-23-2016, 12:32 PM	#18
nicklockard Second Lieutenant 43 Rep 281 Posts Drives: 2009 w/Nav; paddleshifters Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Phoenix iTrader: (0)	The limitation is the TINY holes which are in the horizontal plane. Their surface area (or port size) to pass air is significantly smaller than the 3" diameter intake tubing. Also the air has to take a two 90 degree bends in rapid succession. One is un-radiused or virtually instantaneous--the transition from outside, horizontally oriented, laminar-flow air to quickly vertical, then a radiused transition to horizontal again into the airbox. This is to keep bugs, large debris, and heavier objects out of the airbox. I believe it was also designed this way to take outside, pressurized, laminar flow air and transition it to turbulent flow (increased massflow rate) and for sound abatement. If you can open up these holes to exceed the port flow area of the tubing behind it, then perhaps your scoops could begin to make a difference. Last edited by nicklockard; 10-24-2016 at 10:53 AM.. Reason: edited 'faster moving' to increased massflow rate.
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10-24-2016, 09:47 AM	#19
Frediesel Private 8 Rep 82 Posts Drives: 318is Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	Rapid succession, horizontal and red lipstick on DSLs- got it.
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10-24-2016, 10:19 AM	#20
dzlmoose Lieutenant 122 Rep 541 Posts Drives: Trek 7.2, 2001 M5 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0)	Chicks dig guys with Red Scoops and no codes.
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