THE LARGEST BMW 2-SERIES FORUM ON THE PLANET
2Addicts
2Addicts
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
2Addicts | BMW 2-Series forum Technical Topics B58 (M240i) Engine, Transmission, Exhaust, Tuning VR tuned tuning box kit (updated with Dyno runs before and after)

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-26-2016, 06:00 PM   #1
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

VR tuned tuning box kit (updated with Dyno runs before and after)

Anyone seen this one? Just browsing around and stumbled on it.

https://www.vividracing.com/catalog/...151489163.html

Last edited by jettison; 12-16-2016 at 11:44 AM..
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2016, 04:08 PM   #2
BPAC306
Second Lieutenant
BPAC306's Avatar
United_States
89
Rep
246
Posts

Drives: M240I X
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

wow
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2016, 05:28 PM   #3
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPAC306 View Post
wow
Wow at the specs? Seems like some big numbers to me. Dyno shows a 340 though.
Appreciate 0
      11-30-2016, 10:21 AM   #4
kdog26372
Lieutenant
243
Rep
447
Posts

Drives: 2015 M235xi BSM
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

Yeah these guys advertise an 88 ft lb torque increase for the M235i. These are bogus numbers. They are taking stock advertised numbers and then showing their after results. It's not a magical piggyback as it's the same old sensors they tap into to up the boost. I'm sure it gives a nice boost in power, but nowhere even close to the claims. A nearly 100 hp increase on the M240i, I don't think so, close to 40-50 most likely as BMW underrates the 340hp stock claim substantially. Again, I'm sure a perfectly good tune, but hate the fake claimed gains. If you are buying it thinking you'll pick up 9-10 mph in the 1/4 mile trap, you'll be disappointed. If you buy and think you'll get 4-5 mph advantage and drop about 1/2 second in 1/4 that's more accurate and you'll be happy.
__________________
'15 M235xi | BSM/Oyster/Aluminum | Black Kidneys | RW Carbon Mirror Caps | 40% tint
Appreciate 0
      11-30-2016, 01:08 PM   #5
Anderw
Brigadier General
Anderw's Avatar
United_States
658
Rep
3,320
Posts

Drives: F80 m3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (12)

its weird they are claiming testing was done with UK 98oct fuel which would account for the unbelievable power increase over other A 2 sensor tune(still skeptical). That being said why wouldn't they test using A more common 93oct at least have both to show. If it allows for other octane ranges would an e85 mix that is bringing 93oct gas closer to 98-100oct allow for such gains?

"Performance number gains are quoted based on Engine Power Gains, not wheel horsepower. Testing on the products was done in the UK using 98octane fuel. VRTuned has tested these in-house on several cars and stand behind the Tuning Box Kits work as claimed."
Appreciate 0
      11-30-2016, 01:24 PM   #6
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Where i live finding 93 is almost impossible. We have one station about 35 miles from my house that still sells it. Everything has gone to 91 (with up to 10% ethanol). I have a few places i can get straight 91 but they are getting harder to find. Would a tune like this have a problem with running 91?
Appreciate 0
      11-30-2016, 03:53 PM   #7
kdog26372
Lieutenant
243
Rep
447
Posts

Drives: 2015 M235xi BSM
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anderw View Post
its weird they are claiming testing was done with UK 98oct fuel which would account for the unbelievable power increase over other A 2 sensor tune(still skeptical). That being said why wouldn't they test using A more common 93oct at least have both to show. If it allows for other octane ranges would an e85 mix that is bringing 93oct gas closer to 98-100oct allow for such gains?

"Performance number gains are quoted based on Engine Power Gains, not wheel horsepower. Testing on the products was done in the UK using 98octane fuel. VRTuned has tested these in-house on several cars and stand behind the Tuning Box Kits work as claimed."
Euro gas is rated at Ron vs US using AKI. 93 in the US is equivalent to about 98 in UK. You aren't getting nearly 100 hp increase using 93 octane and 2 plug tune, sorry not happening. I do believe their peak power numbers probably reflect the engine power they claim, I'm also certain they are using BMW claimed power figures as the baseline rather than a real before and after dyno.
__________________
'15 M235xi | BSM/Oyster/Aluminum | Black Kidneys | RW Carbon Mirror Caps | 40% tint
Appreciate 0
      11-30-2016, 04:26 PM   #8
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

I've been out of the tuner world for several years. I drove an 03 WRX and pretty much everything on the car was from Cobb Tuning. I really liked that company and sad to see they don't do anything with newer BMW models. I don't plan on going as far with this car but would like a nice tune. I knew a little about this company from the Suby world so I checked them out on my hunt. Do you guys think I should guinea pig it?
Appreciate 0
      11-30-2016, 04:31 PM   #9
Anderw
Brigadier General
Anderw's Avatar
United_States
658
Rep
3,320
Posts

Drives: F80 m3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (12)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdog26372 View Post
Euro gas is rated at Ron vs US using AKI. 93 in the US is equivalent to about 98 in UK. You aren't getting nearly 100 hp increase using 93 octane and 2 plug tune, sorry not happening. I do believe their peak power numbers probably reflect the engine power they claim, I'm also certain they are using BMW claimed power figures as the baseline rather than a real before and after dyno.
98oct is 98oct no matter where you are, I know european 98Ron equals 93oct but thats not what they claim to have used

I think adding that the test were done in the UK doesn't really make a difference if they claimed 98ron then everyone can figure 93oct gas would equal those gains (which they wouldn't) but they claim 94hp gain on 98 octane not saying I believe the claim its just they aren't claiming those numbers using 98ron or 93oct

"Performance number gains are quoted based on Engine Power Gains, not wheel horsepower. Testing on the products was done in the UK using 98octane fuel. VRTuned has tested these in-house on several cars and stand behind the Tuning Box Kits work as claimed."
Appreciate 0
      11-30-2016, 06:26 PM   #10
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anderw View Post
98oct is 98oct no matter where you are, I know european 98Ron equals 93oct but thats not what they claim to have used

I think adding that the test were done in the UK doesn't really make a difference if they claimed 98ron then everyone can figure 93oct gas would equal those gains (which they wouldn't) but they claim 94hp gain on 98 octane not saying I believe the claim its just they aren't claiming those numbers using 98ron or 93oct

"Performance number gains are quoted based on Engine Power Gains, not wheel horsepower. Testing on the products was done in the UK using 98octane fuel. VRTuned has tested these in-house on several cars and stand behind the Tuning Box Kits work as claimed."
I am not sure about that. If they tested in the UK and they used 98 from the UK then it should be equivalent to US 93 oct.
Appreciate 0
      12-01-2016, 12:56 AM   #11
Anderw
Brigadier General
Anderw's Avatar
United_States
658
Rep
3,320
Posts

Drives: F80 m3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (12)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettison View Post
I am not sure about that. If they tested in the UK and they used 98 from the UK then it should be equivalent to US 93 oct.
They are claiming to have used 98oct fuel they never said it was pump gas could be a blend of 109oct and 93oct mixed to reach 98oct who knows. They should show numbers for 93oct as most people can normally run that these numbers are to boost sales IMO.

Misleading
Appreciate 0
      12-01-2016, 07:09 AM   #12
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Oh yeah it's very misleading I agree.
Appreciate 0
      12-01-2016, 11:20 AM   #13
kdog26372
Lieutenant
243
Rep
447
Posts

Drives: 2015 M235xi BSM
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anderw View Post
98oct is 98oct no matter where you are, I know european 98Ron equals 93oct but thats not what they claim to have used

I think adding that the test were done in the UK doesn't really make a difference if they claimed 98ron then everyone can figure 93oct gas would equal those gains (which they wouldn't) but they claim 94hp gain on 98 octane not saying I believe the claim its just they aren't claiming those numbers using 98ron or 93oct

"Performance number gains are quoted based on Engine Power Gains, not wheel horsepower. Testing on the products was done in the UK using 98octane fuel. VRTuned has tested these in-house on several cars and stand behind the Tuning Box Kits work as claimed."
I think they misstated the fuel, 98Ron is the norm in the UK not 98 octane, I'm guessing it was a typo and as these companies basically package up the same tuner box, put together a marketing campaign, show some massive gains and get people to buy. Nobody sells a tune to only run on race gas, it's a typo.
__________________
'15 M235xi | BSM/Oyster/Aluminum | Black Kidneys | RW Carbon Mirror Caps | 40% tint
Appreciate 0
      12-01-2016, 11:29 AM   #14
kdog26372
Lieutenant
243
Rep
447
Posts

Drives: 2015 M235xi BSM
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

and lastly right from the advertisement for the product.
"We DO NOT offer a guarantee from independent dyno tests"

So, basically just trust us the numbers were what they were when we tested it, but then you go test the box and you don't get anywhere near those gains. This thing appears identical to the RaceChip which makes sense because Racechip is made in Germany and the dyno is in German language not UK. So why in the world is the dyno in German language yet the dyno was supposedly done in the UK?
__________________
'15 M235xi | BSM/Oyster/Aluminum | Black Kidneys | RW Carbon Mirror Caps | 40% tint
Appreciate 0
      12-01-2016, 06:28 PM   #15
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Well I guess I will try it out. I'm going to throw the car on the Dynojet in a couple weeks and get a baseline and then add the tuner and do another pull. Proof is in the pudding.

Last edited by jettison; 12-02-2016 at 12:25 AM..
Appreciate 0
      12-07-2016, 09:22 PM   #16
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

I ended up going for the VR tuner. Installed it and yeah the butt dyno can feel it for sure. Car is noticeable quicker. I will be doing some dyno pulls and will report back next week. We will see what it puts down.
Appreciate 1
RotorOver295.50
      12-09-2016, 11:24 AM   #17
BPAC306
Second Lieutenant
BPAC306's Avatar
United_States
89
Rep
246
Posts

Drives: M240I X
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettison View Post
I ended up going for the VR tuner. Installed it and yeah the butt dyno can feel it for sure. Car is noticeable quicker. I will be doing some dyno pulls and will report back next week. We will see what it puts down.


Please list the baseline and the tune results
Appreciate 0
      12-09-2016, 11:54 AM   #18
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPAC306 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by jettison View Post
I ended up going for the VR tuner. Installed it and yeah the butt dyno can feel it for sure. Car is noticeable quicker. I will be doing some dyno pulls and will report back next week. We will see what it puts down.


Please list the baseline and the tune results
Yep I will
Appreciate 0
      12-14-2016, 10:40 AM   #19
BPAC306
Second Lieutenant
BPAC306's Avatar
United_States
89
Rep
246
Posts

Drives: M240I X
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettison View Post
Yep I will

any word on the before and after pulls?
Appreciate 0
      12-14-2016, 09:19 PM   #20
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPAC306 View Post
any word on the before and after pulls?
its happening tomorrow afternoon.
Appreciate 0
      12-15-2016, 04:13 PM   #21
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Well we had some issues today. The car liked to downshift even in manual mode which made getting a good pull really annoying. We did get a good baseline stock pull of 310hp and 330ft/lbs. As for the tuner I am not sure what happened. When we put that on there the car gained a bit of HP but dropped lots of torque. Would it be possible that swapping it without giving the computer time to adjust just does not work. I am waiting on a call from vivid to see what they say about it. Pretty bummed to say the least
Appreciate 0
      12-15-2016, 05:01 PM   #22
jettison
Enlisted Member
jettison's Avatar
27
Rep
49
Posts

Drives: M240i
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: OK

iTrader: (0)

Stock pull




VR tuner pull


Last edited by jettison; 12-15-2016 at 05:55 PM..
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:07 PM.




2addicts
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST