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      03-02-2017, 11:17 AM   #1
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Proud owner of an LBB M2 since december. Absolutely loving it so far! Going for the brake in service tomorrow. Couldn't resist revving it out last weekend as I went for a spirited drive together with an A45 AMG. To my amazement the amg was no faster in the dry. Drove the two cars back to back and still very happy with my choice. 6 cilinders beats 4 every day.

I know there have been previous topics on this but I'm going to track the car in summer. What are the experiences with the stock brake pads. Do they hold up long enough?
Spa is on the calender, demanding on the brakes. I don't want to go with full racing pads because primarily I use the car on the street. What are good hybrid pads? I don't want noisy brakes on the street.

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Hi guys!

Proud owner of an LBB M2 since december. Absolutely loving it so far! Going for the brake in service tomorrow. Couldn't resist revving it out last weekend as I went for a spirited drive together with an A45 AMG. To my amazement the amg was no faster in the dry. Drove the two cars back to back and still very happy with my choice. 6 cilinders beats 4 every day.

I know there have been previous topics on this but I'm going to track the car in summer. What are the experiences with the stock brake pads. Do they hold up long enough?
Spa is on the calender, demanding on the brakes. I don't want to go with full racing pads because primarily I use the car on the street. What are good hybrid pads? I don't want noisy brakes on the street.

Thanks!
Stock pads will not perform well or last at the track. For the initial Press Days at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, BMW fitted performance pads to the M2s. These were also used on a One Lap of America M2. There are also several aftermarket options.

Turner Motorsport has a selection and Pagids have a good reputation. Maybe this web site will let you decide what to buy and you can source them in Belgium.

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-1...ing-brake-pads

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-3...ack-brake-pads
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      03-02-2017, 07:27 PM   #3
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Hi guys!

Proud owner of an LBB M2 since december. Absolutely loving it so far! Going for the brake in service tomorrow. Couldn't resist revving it out last weekend as I went for a spirited drive together with an A45 AMG. To my amazement the amg was no faster in the dry. Drove the two cars back to back and still very happy with my choice. 6 cilinders beats 4 every day.

I know there have been previous topics on this but I'm going to track the car in summer. What are the experiences with the stock brake pads. Do they hold up long enough?
Spa is on the calender, demanding on the brakes. I don't want to go with full racing pads because primarily I use the car on the street. What are good hybrid pads? I don't want noisy brakes on the street.

Thanks!
In the other topic were you posted it was already said a couple of times that driving with the "standard" M2 brake pads on a track will not be a good idea. They don't hold long and could even ruin your rotors! So; change the brake pads, the brake oil and you can also fit steel brake linings...

Popular choices for track work are;
- BMW Performance pads
- Pagid RS-29 / RSL1
- Endless ME-20
- Performance Friction PFC-08

You can drive these pads on the street, I have done it without issues...besides noise of course. I have RS-29 on my Z4M with AP brakes and I'm going to fit Endless ME-20 on my M2. The white M2 from laptime performance was also fitted with these Endless pads and they were very happy with them on the Nurburgring. I will probably keep the Endless pads on the street also and we will see how they preform and sound on the street... I have searched and tested some brake pads in the past...if you want a brake pad that is completely silent on the street and also great on track, then you are in for a long search and a lot of tests. Most pads that are rather silent on the street don't preform well on track (been there done that).
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Thanks for the advice. Went to the dealer here and asked for the performance pads. They told me these are not available in Belgium... I will probably order pagids and see if they are drivable ( noise wise ) on the street. Does anyone change their pads each time they go to the track?
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I'm researching the same. I saw this thread that has a good discussion on brakes:

Alekshop l 700 miles M2 Track Setup http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1344984

The thread is mostly skewed toward ferodo and ap racing calipers. But some good discussion nonetheless. I was surprised the blue calipers don't hold up well under heavy track use.
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Anyone know where you can get the M Performance brake pads in the US?
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The stock brake pads are not designed for the demands of track use. Track use is a totally different animal so I would go the Pagid route for sure.
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Thanks for the advice. Went to the dealer here and asked for the performance pads. They told me these are not available in Belgium... I will probably order pagids and see if they are drivable ( noise wise ) on the street. Does anyone change their pads each time they go to the track?
Strange that your BMW dealer can not deliver Performance pads in Belgium. But it is possible they don't deliver. For all my track modifications; I go to my non official M-specialist. He can deliver any brake pad or brake set-up I want for my cars. Pagid RS-29 is a good pad for the price (it will sound like a pig on the street). For the moment I have RS-29 (front) and RS4-4 (rear) on my Z4M (with AP brakes). I like this set-up, but is indeed noisy on the street.

I have tested many different Pagid compounds over the years on my Z4M. For my M2 (oem brakes) I ordered the more expensive Endless ME-20. I only read good things about them on track and on the street. They are supposed to make less noise then RS-29 on the street also. I will test them in April on the Nurburgring.
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Thanks for the link to the thread. I also read good things about Ferodo Ds2500. As I now understand this could be a good dual use pad to start with, keeping the calipers and discs original. They are supposed to whitstain light track work, and as a newbie this should be sufficient to start with. When driver skills improve AP racing kit on the front of the car is a good investment, keeping the rear original, only upgrading the pads. Full racing pads are not really usable on the street, so when doing these upgrades means switching to street pads after every trackday. Am I arriving at the right conclusions here?
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Thanks for the link to the thread. I also read good things about Ferodo Ds2500. As I now understand this could be a good dual use pad to start with, keeping the calipers and discs original. They are supposed to whitstain light track work, and as a newbie this should be sufficient to start with. When driver skills improve AP racing kit on the front of the car is a good investment, keeping the rear original, only upgrading the pads. Full racing pads are not really usable on the street, so when doing these upgrades means switching to street pads after every trackday. Am I arriving at the right conclusions here?
I will depend a lot of the track and how hard you brake. Zolder is a killer for brakes (even for novices who brake more then experienced drivers). Spa is hard on the brakes. Nurburgring is not so hard for the brakes. OEM M2 brakes with decent track brake pads will work on this track (if you don't do more then two laps after each other). Ds2500 is not the brake pad I would use with my driving style on any track, but they say it can handle light track duty. From all my trackday buddy's nobody drives with these pads and some had bad experience with the Ds 2500. 90% use some type of Pagid pads...PFC and Endless are more popular in Germany. A lot of German GT3 RS drivers fit these on their cars...
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Thanks for the link to the thread. I also read good things about Ferodo Ds2500. As I now understand this could be a good dual use pad to start with, keeping the calipers and discs original. They are supposed to whitstain light track work, and as a newbie this should be sufficient to start with. When driver skills improve AP racing kit on the front of the car is a good investment, keeping the rear original, only upgrading the pads. Full racing pads are not really usable on the street, so when doing these upgrades means switching to street pads after every trackday. Am I arriving at the right conclusions here?
When you fit your new pads, please remember that they are a harder compound and will not warm-up like street pads. Take the time to get used to them in the mornings.
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