No manual tranny? No new 3 series for me

G80indy · 10-01-2018, 05:19 PM

Oh well.
Time to move on

stein_325i · 10-01-2018, 05:24 PM

Or its time to upgrade to an M3...

The Automotive Enthusiast · 10-01-2018, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 330indy

Oh well.
Time to move on

None of the other three Germans offer a manual transmission either.

Good luck. Time to upgrade to a P-Car.

G80indy · 10-01-2018, 05:53 PM

All this "excitement" of the new authentic BMW driving experience(?) with No MT?
Give
Me
A
Break.
I already have an M3 - mt
But now zero aspirations for a 3, next gen.

Sad

M3GymNut · 10-01-2018, 06:56 PM

Is it confirmed that the next generation 3 series won't have any version in manual? That's hard to believe...

Blubaron79 · 10-01-2018, 07:07 PM

And move to..? manuals are gone everywhere.

stein_325i · 10-01-2018, 07:26 PM

How bout an M240i?? Other than that, the only car left is genesis, but i watched a review that said the clutch is weirdly long and heavy, with long throws, and certain options like a sunroof and other things are not available on the manual model. And its on the 2l turbo 4 so,... not much to choose from

praxis218 · 10-01-2018, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubaron79

And move to..? manuals are gone everywhere.

He can get a car that has been stuck in a timewarp for the last 16 years: the Nissan 350z.

2015M4inCT · 10-01-2018, 08:38 PM

It's really frustrating for sure. My 2016 340i 6MT is up at end of lease in March. Leaves me trying to find a 2018 M3 6MT sitting on the lot, a M240 (too small and "cheap" on the inside) or a 440i (too much of the same and just won't compare to my previous coupe, the 335is).

I did test drive an X3 M40i and it was quite a nice ride. I suppose if sticks are out might as go all crazy and look at an SUV

Frustrated!

jackaleyess · 10-01-2018, 08:52 PM

Move on? Yeah move to horse riding.

nick1212 · 10-01-2018, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 340i6MT

It's really frustrating for sure. My 2016 340i 6MT is up at end of lease in March. Leaves me trying to find a 2018 M3 6MT sitting on the lot, a M240 (too small and "cheap" on the inside) or a 440i (too much of the same and just won't compare to my previous coupe, the 335is).

I did test drive an X3 M40i and it was quite a nice ride. I suppose if sticks are out might as go all crazy and look at an SUV

Frustrated!

+1 I am in the exact same boat and cant seem to figure out what to do...frustrating for sure.

Ender_ · 10-01-2018, 09:50 PM

Without a 6spd the 3 series is not my first choice - or even second or third, when my lease is up in July I'll be getting one of the following:
S5 Sportback
Jag XE S
Volvo V60

There isn't much else to say, I think BMW has lost the sport sedan race now.

MT4life · 10-01-2018, 10:17 PM

All good posts and points that I've made before.
Shame.

G80indy · 10-02-2018, 01:07 AM

Honda has kept MT going
As my next DD, the '19 Type R with toned down aero has my eye. Cool car, and don't care what people say about the racy looks.
It's about the driving experience!
Shock of all shocks!

Michael Schott · 10-02-2018, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

And move to..? manuals are gone everywhere.

This is correct. What in this class is going to be the OP’s choice? Audi, MB, Jaguar, Lexus, Alfa? Oops. None of them offer a third pedal in the US.

MT4life · 10-02-2018, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Schott

This is correct. What in this class is going to be the OP’s choice? Audi, MB, Jaguar, Lexus, Alfa? Oops. None of them offer a third pedal in the US.

Will just have to go smaller or back to the e46 sized 3-er.
M240i is an option for me but would prefer 4 doors.

hinckley · 10-02-2018, 05:54 PM

Golf R

MT4life · 10-02-2018, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hinckley

Golf R

Another good contender I test drove and liked but I prefer RWD

KevinM · 10-02-2018, 09:29 PM

I'm still hoping the G80 M3 will offer a MT, probably for the last time. Then hopefully the 2 series will offer one a bit longer...after that, it will be true sports cars only, such as Porsche Boxster/Cayman or the Mazda Miata. At that point I'll need to decide whether I buy used or just give up and go full on electric for my DD...

MarcoZandrini · 10-02-2018, 09:33 PM

....a manual transmission option! In the US we can only get the 8 speed automatic transmission. Why? BMW has to sent each engine-transmission combination through EPA testing to determine emissions, and DOT testing for mileage.

Sportstick · 10-02-2018, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcoZandrini

....a manual transmission option! In the US we can only get the 8 speed automatic transmission. Why? BMW has to sent each engine-transmission combination through EPA testing to determine emissions, and DOT testing for mileage.

Yes, that is the result, but that isn't the reason. The costs for emissions and fuel economy cert are relatively low and easily recovered in the most conservative business plan. The issue is the need to impact test each powertrain family in each configuration to establish compliance with FMVSS (notably 208 - frontal impact). That gets hugely expensive...time, resources, displaces other programs which need access to the impact barrier facility, and millions of dollars for prototype builds. If they believe they can sell the available plant capacity with automatics only, the low or lack of incremental margin from incremental volume does not support adding another powertrain combination...sadly for many.

Ender_ · 10-03-2018, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hinckley

Golf R

Nope - its gone in 2019!

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stein_325i Ring Leader of G8X Haters 25083 Rep 8,762 Posts Drives: A Car Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: All-Around iTrader: (0)	How bout an M240i?? Other than that, the only car left is genesis, but i watched a review that said the clutch is weirdly long and heavy, with long throws, and certain options like a sunroof and other things are not available on the manual model. And its on the 2l turbo 4 so,... not much to choose from __________________ Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300
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2015M4inCT Private First Class 96 Rep 199 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	It's really frustrating for sure. My 2016 340i 6MT is up at end of lease in March. Leaves me trying to find a 2018 M3 6MT sitting on the lot, a M240 (too small and "cheap" on the inside) or a 440i (too much of the same and just won't compare to my previous coupe, the 335is). I did test drive an X3 M40i and it was quite a nice ride. I suppose if sticks are out might as go all crazy and look at an SUV Frustrated!
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