Steering intervention nearly killed me!

Dcinlv · 11-26-2018, 10:21 PM

Tonight I was driving in the left lane (relevant) on a four-lane divided rd. The divider is the typical LV desert landscaped type. Basically rock and a few shrubs. Anyways... I was driving perfectly straight approaching the end of one divider to allow traffic to cross to the other side. As I approached the beginning of the next divider at approximately 45mph the steering intervened for no apparent reason and I found myself pointed squarely at the curb and a light pole. I didn't have an extra tight grip on the wheel, just enough to safely cruise on down the road. I immediately corrected back to the right into my previously occupied lane. Scared the hell out of me and my unsuspecting wife. Not to mention the other drivers surrounding me. Had I not reacted fast enough with a considerable amount of force we would have jumped the curb into the pole. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Yes, I went back and checked for any erroneous lane markings or other striping that I sometimes see painted around here indicating construction pending or past. Thanks!

ILM_X5 · 11-26-2018, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcinlv

Tonight I was driving in the left lane (relevant) on a four-lane divided rd. The divider is the typical LV desert landscaped type. Basically rock and a few shrubs. Anyways... I was driving perfectly straight approaching the end of one divider to allow traffic to cross to the other side. As I approached the beginning of the next divider at approximately 45mph the steering intervened for no apparent reason and I found myself pointed squarely at the curb and a light pole. I didn't have an extra tight grip on the wheel, just enough to safely cruise on down the road. I immediately corrected back to the right into my previously occupied lane. Scared the hell out of me and my unsuspecting wife. Not to mention the other drivers surrounding me. Had I not reacted fast enough with a considerable amount of force we would have jumped the curb into the pole. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Yes, I went back and checked for any erroneous lane markings or other striping that I sometimes see painted around here indicating construction pending or past. Thanks!

Did you search? You could've spared us all a new thread on a well covered topic.

X5_CC · 11-26-2018, 10:31 PM

Yes, I had a similar experience driving the car 3 hrs home after buying it. I drove on a long stretch of divided highway that is massively under construction. In several sections, traffic is diverted off of existing concrete pavement onto temporary pavement and back again. At these break points, the joints in the concrete aren't in line with the lanes, and the X5 would read those joints as lane markings and try to aggressively pull you out of your lane in the midst of these diversions. I held the wheel with a death grip the whole time.

Afterward I found the setting in iDrive to turn down the sensitivity. It seems to be better but still will act overly aggressively at times.

swedesc · 11-26-2018, 10:36 PM

This is one thing that scares me about increased vehicle autonomy. If lanes are marked well it can cause some vehicles to act strangely. In my XC90 the lane keep won't activated if it can't clearly identify markings, this isn't the case in some other cars I've driven. However, there was one time when I was making a u-turn and the car thought I was gonna turn left into opposing traffic which cause the emergency brake to activate which caused me to almost get rear ended. The driver behind me also thought I intentionally brake checked them. The whole situation was bad.

sygazelle · 11-26-2018, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CLT_X5

Did you search? You could've spared us all a new thread on a well covered topic.

I'm confused by your post busting this guy's chops for starting a new thread instead of searching for an existing thred on this topic. I've been scouring this G05 forum for weeks as I get ready to make a purhcase. I've seen zero threads specifically on dangerous lane departure. I did as you asked the OP to do and searched the G05 section for such a thread and found none. Would you please enlighten us and share a link to the dedicated G05 thread on this topic.

Thanks.

sygazelle · 11-26-2018, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcinlv

Tonight I was driving in the left lane (relevant) on a four-lane divided rd. The divider is the typical LV desert landscaped type. Basically rock and a few shrubs. Anyways... I was driving perfectly straight approaching the end of one divider to allow traffic to cross to the other side. As I approached the beginning of the next divider at approximately 45mph the steering intervened for no apparent reason and I found myself pointed squarely at the curb and a light pole. I didn't have an extra tight grip on the wheel, just enough to safely cruise on down the road. I immediately corrected back to the right into my previously occupied lane. Scared the hell out of me and my unsuspecting wife. Not to mention the other drivers surrounding me. Had I not reacted fast enough with a considerable amount of force we would have jumped the curb into the pole. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Yes, I went back and checked for any erroneous lane markings or other striping that I sometimes see painted around here indicating construction pending or past. Thanks!

Sorry that happened to you. I've read on general problem theads that this has happed to others and they have turned the "feature" off or to a less agressive setting. Thanks for starting a dedicated G05 thread on this important topic. If you don't mind, please share what you learn and what setting changes you make in the coming days.

X5_CC · 11-26-2018, 11:10 PM

I forgot to add earlier that I previously drove a GMC Yukon. It also had a version of lane keep assist, and I would say its execution in that vehicle is perfect. Its intervention was very subtle, with very gentle corrections once you've basically grazed the lane markings. It would nudge the steering wheel so that you would basically ride the line instead of cross it, and it would never come close to overpowering the driver.

The X5 by comparison, even on the lowest setting, is much more aggressive. I've noticed its corrections can be so aggressive that it will make you actually sway in your seat as if you had jerked the steering wheel.

Dcinlv · 11-26-2018, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CLT_X5

Did you search? You could've spared us all a new thread on a well covered topic.

Well no.... I apologize. Thanks to those that replied.

Dcinlv · 11-26-2018, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by X5_CC

I forgot to add earlier that I previously drove a GMC Yukon. It also had a version of lane keep assist, and I would say its execution in that vehicle is perfect. Its intervention was very subtle, with very gentle corrections once you've basically grazed the lane markings. It would nudge the steering wheel so that you would basically ride the line instead of cross it, and it would never come close to overpowering the driver.

The X5 by comparison, even on the lowest setting, is much more aggressive. I've noticed its corrections can be so aggressive that it will make you actually sway in your seat as if you had jerked the steering wheel.

Thanks for tolerating my post.... When I reached my destination I switched off the steering intervention option for now. I also have a 2017 540i with steering intervention, yes it intervenes.... but NOTHING like the X5. I would not have even brought it up had it not been such a severe "correction". X5_CC described it perfectly. "The X5 by comparison, even on the lowest setting, is much more aggressive. I've noticed its corrections can be so aggressive that it will make you actually sway in your seat as if you had jerked the steering wheel."

magna6882 · 11-27-2018, 12:13 AM

I would expect this would be corrected with future updates. Our audi q7 is a little jerky also but in my brothers tesla its straight down the center of the lane only moving over if a car is next to us. It did take us a while to get accustomed to the q7. Is it possible that some folks are just not used to the car applying inputs. I know i wasnt when we got the q7. Having a car steer and brake by itself is a bit to get used to. It did save my but over the weekend when i backed out of a parking stall and i didnt see a car crossing and the q7 locked the brakes. Also if we make a u turn we need to have the left turn signal on letting the car know to ignore what were doing. Keep in mind my experience is with the audi.I have a build week 49 so i will be able to compare in a few months.

Zoltrix · 11-27-2018, 02:48 AM

Had a similar issue - intervention almost pushed me out of the highway when two lanes were merging. Closed all steering interventions immediately after that. I only use the vibration warning and that is more than enough.

I bet BMW will get sued over an accident this will cause pretty soon.

Wild Blue · 11-27-2018, 03:15 AM

The increasing number of owner reports of these types of near-miss incidents, caused by BMW automation, are disconcerting.

ADGrant · 11-27-2018, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dcinlv

Well no.... I apologize. Thanks to those that replied.

Thank you for posting regarding a significant safety issue that everyone thinking about ordering the driver assistance should be aware of.

Personally, I find these posts disappointing and worrying. It seems BMW is way behind in its autonomous driving tech. I have used a similar system in a rental XC-90 and it worked well.

Doc5513 · 11-27-2018, 06:29 AM

To clarify: are we speaking specifically of “steering intervention”? And is this part of the 5AU Active driving assistant Pro?

roadkillrob · 11-27-2018, 06:32 AM

This is very disappointing especially at the price they charge - Toyota gives it to you for free and sounds like it works better at that price also.

I wonder what happens when it does this and crashes, BMW should be responsible for that liability - guessing they have a lot of lawyer speak around that in the manual, but if it is a flawed technology and a few cars crash because of it, there will be a class action lawsuit for sure. Bet it works much better in Germany where the roads are better marked and maintained - not sure how anything self driving will ever work in the US with the disaster we call a transportation infrastructure.

bigdaveindubai · 11-27-2018, 06:42 AM

We talked about it here. It almost killed us too.
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1556127

sygazelle · 11-27-2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdaveindubai

We talked about it here. It almost killed us too.
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1556127

Thanks for pointing us to that thread. The OP of that thread started the conversation about ACC. Steering intervention issues are mentione a few posts down. I'm liking this thread as it is focused on this specific issue. It will be interesting and informative how owners report their experences and what is being done to correct the problem (turning off, software updates, etc.)

lumpydog · 11-27-2018, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sygazelle

I'm liking this thread as it is focused on this specific issue. It will be interesting and informative how owners report their experences and what is being done to correct the problem (turning off, software updates, etc.)

Agreed - while the topic has been discussed as an aside in a few other threads, there are no other threads dedicated to the topic. Good discussion.

Here is another thread that touches on this subject but was not specific to it: https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...0#post24034550

1230vani · 11-27-2018, 02:44 PM

Not sure where in the review, but I think as soon as he starts driving it he said he shuts it off (lane assist), he is fine with all other automated driver stuff....

Am sure BMW will have to change it.

stein_325i · 11-27-2018, 03:29 PM

Another reason while I think some safety tech is good, like blind spot, auto braking, the whole lane keeping thing is a little overkill, I mean part of driving the car is well... driving, and paying attention to the lane your in. God sometimes I wish we were back in the golden era of the 2000's when the biggest and most advanced safety features were parking sensors and DSC in BMWs!

jra0113 · 11-27-2018, 09:35 PM

Glad I read this post before I took delivery of mine tonight. It is a pretty aggressive steering wheel correction. Def. would have been caught off guard if I wasn't looking for it.

mnx5er · 11-27-2018, 10:03 PM

OP glad you are OK. This autonomous driving nonsense needs to stop. Let owners decide if they want it and allow them to turn it off. When I first heard that BMW turned on aggressive lane correction by default, I couldn’t believe it.

All car companies are trying one up each other with these “safety” features. The realty is they are full of false positives and hiccups that will get people hurt (ask Tesla).

And I thought the collision control in my F15 was brutal. It gave me a nice whiplash on a false positive.

11-26-2018, 10:21 PM	#1
Dcinlv Enlisted Member 31 Rep 42 Posts Drives: 2017 G30 M sport Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0)	Steering intervention nearly killed me! Tonight I was driving in the left lane (relevant) on a four-lane divided rd. The divider is the typical LV desert landscaped type. Basically rock and a few shrubs. Anyways... I was driving perfectly straight approaching the end of one divider to allow traffic to cross to the other side. As I approached the beginning of the next divider at approximately 45mph the steering intervened for no apparent reason and I found myself pointed squarely at the curb and a light pole. I didn't have an extra tight grip on the wheel, just enough to safely cruise on down the road. I immediately corrected back to the right into my previously occupied lane. Scared the hell out of me and my unsuspecting wife. Not to mention the other drivers surrounding me. Had I not reacted fast enough with a considerable amount of force we would have jumped the curb into the pole. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Yes, I went back and checked for any erroneous lane markings or other striping that I sometimes see painted around here indicating construction pending or past. Thanks!
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X5_CC Captain 289 Rep 668 Posts Drives: X5 40i Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	Yes, I had a similar experience driving the car 3 hrs home after buying it. I drove on a long stretch of divided highway that is massively under construction. In several sections, traffic is diverted off of existing concrete pavement onto temporary pavement and back again. At these break points, the joints in the concrete aren't in line with the lanes, and the X5 would read those joints as lane markings and try to aggressively pull you out of your lane in the midst of these diversions. I held the wheel with a death grip the whole time. Afterward I found the setting in iDrive to turn down the sensitivity. It seems to be better but still will act overly aggressively at times.
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swedesc Private 25 Rep 74 Posts Drives: 2018 Volvo S60 Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: SC iTrader: (0)	This is one thing that scares me about increased vehicle autonomy. If lanes are marked well it can cause some vehicles to act strangely. In my XC90 the lane keep won't activated if it can't clearly identify markings, this isn't the case in some other cars I've driven. However, there was one time when I was making a u-turn and the car thought I was gonna turn left into opposing traffic which cause the emergency brake to activate which caused me to almost get rear ended. The driver behind me also thought I intentionally brake checked them. The whole situation was bad.
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11-26-2018, 11:10 PM	#7
X5_CC Captain 289 Rep 668 Posts Drives: X5 40i Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	I forgot to add earlier that I previously drove a GMC Yukon. It also had a version of lane keep assist, and I would say its execution in that vehicle is perfect. Its intervention was very subtle, with very gentle corrections once you've basically grazed the lane markings. It would nudge the steering wheel so that you would basically ride the line instead of cross it, and it would never come close to overpowering the driver. The X5 by comparison, even on the lowest setting, is much more aggressive. I've noticed its corrections can be so aggressive that it will make you actually sway in your seat as if you had jerked the steering wheel.
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11-27-2018, 12:13 AM	#10
magna6882 First Lieutenant 162 Rep 360 Posts Drives: 2017 audi q7 Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: seattle iTrader: (0)	I would expect this would be corrected with future updates. Our audi q7 is a little jerky also but in my brothers tesla its straight down the center of the lane only moving over if a car is next to us. It did take us a while to get accustomed to the q7. Is it possible that some folks are just not used to the car applying inputs. I know i wasnt when we got the q7. Having a car steer and brake by itself is a bit to get used to. It did save my but over the weekend when i backed out of a parking stall and i didnt see a car crossing and the q7 locked the brakes. Also if we make a u turn we need to have the left turn signal on letting the car know to ignore what were doing. Keep in mind my experience is with the audi.I have a build week 49 so i will be able to compare in a few months.
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11-27-2018, 02:48 AM	#11
Zoltrix New Member 6 Rep 8 Posts Drives: BMW X5 (G05) Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	Had a similar issue - intervention almost pushed me out of the highway when two lanes were merging. Closed all steering interventions immediately after that. I only use the vibration warning and that is more than enough. I bet BMW will get sued over an accident this will cause pretty soon.
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Wild Blue Brigadier General 3684 Rep 3,479 Posts Drives: 2021 X7 M50i, 2004 330i w/ZHP Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Alaska iTrader: (0)	The increasing number of owner reports of these types of near-miss incidents, caused by BMW automation, are disconcerting.
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11-27-2018, 06:29 AM	#14
Doc5513 Captain 450 Rep 631 Posts Drives: X5 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Virginia, America iTrader: (0)	To clarify: are we speaking specifically of “steering intervention”? And is this part of the 5AU Active driving assistant Pro?
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roadkillrob Major General 862 Rep 5,448 Posts Drives: 08 335i,22 X3M, 2012 C63 Black Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Boston iTrader: (15)	This is very disappointing especially at the price they charge - Toyota gives it to you for free and sounds like it works better at that price also. I wonder what happens when it does this and crashes, BMW should be responsible for that liability - guessing they have a lot of lawyer speak around that in the manual, but if it is a flawed technology and a few cars crash because of it, there will be a class action lawsuit for sure. Bet it works much better in Germany where the roads are better marked and maintained - not sure how anything self driving will ever work in the US with the disaster we call a transportation infrastructure. __________________ 2022 X3M Brooklyn Grey 2008 E93 335i FBO 2012 Mercedes C63 Black Series Alanite Grey
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bigdaveindubai First Lieutenant 208 Rep 328 Posts Drives: 2018 540i Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Katy, Texas iTrader: (0)	We talked about it here. It almost killed us too. https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1556127 __________________ 2018 540i 2019 X5 xDrive40i 2012 Boss 302 #2147 2017 Shelby GT350 2017 F250 KR
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1230vani Colonel 653 Rep 2,703 Posts Drives: G05 40i LCI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: N/A iTrader: (0)	this reviewer shuts it off Not sure where in the review, but I think as soon as he starts driving it he said he shuts it off (lane assist), he is fine with all other automated driver stuff.... Am sure BMW will have to change it.
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stein_325i Ring Leader of G8X Haters 25083 Rep 8,762 Posts Drives: A Car Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: All-Around iTrader: (0)	Another reason while I think some safety tech is good, like blind spot, auto braking, the whole lane keeping thing is a little overkill, I mean part of driving the car is well... driving, and paying attention to the lane your in. God sometimes I wish we were back in the golden era of the 2000's when the biggest and most advanced safety features were parking sensors and DSC in BMWs! __________________ Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300
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jra0113 Lieutenant 427 Rep 421 Posts Drives: 2019 X5 xDrive 50i Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: dallas iTrader: (0)	Glad I read this post before I took delivery of mine tonight. It is a pretty aggressive steering wheel correction. Def. would have been caught off guard if I wasn't looking for it. __________________ 2019 BMW X5 xDrive50i 2017 F150 King Ranch 1967 Camaro Pro Touring
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mnx5er Captain 565 Rep 831 Posts Drives: 2015 BMW X5 3.5i Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Minneapolis, MN iTrader: (0)	OP glad you are OK. This autonomous driving nonsense needs to stop. Let owners decide if they want it and allow them to turn it off. When I first heard that BMW turned on aggressive lane correction by default, I couldn’t believe it. All car companies are trying one up each other with these “safety” features. The realty is they are full of false positives and hiccups that will get people hurt (ask Tesla). And I thought the collision control in my F15 was brutal. It gave me a nice whiplash on a false positive.
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