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      11-30-2018, 02:59 PM   #1
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      11-30-2018, 05:23 PM   #2
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There's a mostly blacked out X5. Very nice.
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Very nice. I appreciate the all dark look although individual Darth Vader visual appearance doesn't reach the buying bar for me.
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Now that's how the grill needs to be done not all black
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looks cool! I still prefer white over black. the white X5 in the launch film looks bold!
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I’ve seen two in person and my first thought was, that’s uglier than I thought it was going to be. Im at the dealership Wednesday for service, excited to sit in one, I’m sure I’m going to like it. The front in black probably looks much cleaner!
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Would've gotten me if that was directly from BMW
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You could get a nice, proper M car for the price of the X5 featured in this video - and I know what I'd rather have. It looks like a drug dealer's daily driver
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You could get a nice, proper M car for the price of the X5 featured in this video - and I know what I'd rather have. It looks like a drug dealer's daily driver
In terms of the video, nicely done, X5 looks great. Yes it does like a drug dealer's daily driver but I guess they just drive nice cars in general

I do get why one wouldn't buy an M car instead.

It's not just the price that is at play in my opinion when one choses a car.

Let me elaborate sorry for going off topic here

I'm actually looking at the X5 45e and I'll most likely be swapping my BMW 4 GC (2,5 years old now) for it because my wife bought a dog (no, I'm not kidding you). She bought a labrador and I don't want to have the dog in my BMW 4 GC because I'm a car freak so no way the dog is going to be inside of my interior, I need a dog cage in the trunk but the BMW 4 GC isn't build for that purpose (at all). So the dog really is a part of the decision here. We want to be able to go on vacation, with the dog and still take luggage with us.

I would have the same problem with M2,M3,M4, ...

I could opt for X5M but then comes economy into play. I'm from Belgium and taxes on a company are insane if the CO2 output of the car is high.

That and in Belgium, they are punishing Diesel right now (so punishing me because of my 420D GC) while in the past they were encouraging it so now I'm being punished for following their previous advice to go for Diesel in the past which is just great ...

An X5 45e would have (hopefully, waiting on confirmation to be sent in January) 49 co2 output making it interesting for company tax reasons (cost on my company). It's ridiculous to think the X5 45e will pollute less than my 420D GC but that's what they are stating right now... so I play along

I would regardless of that still make it an expensive car because I'm a car fanatic so I would opt for Frozen Black individual paint (most likely) and Individual leather with colored stitching, M performance steering wheel and some additional things which are really not necessary but which I would opt in for just because I like it and I can have them. So that would also look like a drugs dealer car

Does it make the car equally expensive as an X5M, probably not but it might be close though. I spent a good amount on my 4GC also (frozen grey individual, m performance parts exterior/interior, ...) which is a 420D even so some persons would think I'm insane to put so much on top of a 420D but economy wise it's great given the average speed around here is 50 km/hour I would need to go to Germany to use an M4 really although it's nice even if you drive at 50 km/hour. Occassionaly I do drive through or in Germany and I hit the autobahn and get up to 220 km/hour max because there is always traffic around so getting higher speeds with my 420D is nearly impossible then.

On a monthly basis, the price difference stays high because of Belgian tax laws. It can be 300 euro per month for the 45e compared to 1542 euro per month for the X5M where the X5M will also cost me much more in terms of fuel consumption, I have to pay 2200 euro each year for road taxes for the X5M compared to 400 euro for X45e (estimation).

The price to buy would be higher for M, monthly price is higher, fuel consumption is higher, maintenance will be higher and in the end you would have to decide if you want to spend an additional, let's say, in my case, 17000 euro per year to drive an M car. One day, when my business is bigger, perhaps I might not mind and go for that option but right now, I believe that would not be the smartest thing to do really.

So it all comes down to what the car has to be used for, what the economy is like (country specific), what kind of money you have at your disposal, what use you have for the car (again, this can also be country specific) and what you would ultimately like to spent on the car. I for one like to play sports, wine and dine, have fun doing all sorts of activities, go on vacation, take business trips around the world which all cost me money so I can use the 17000 euro and at the moment the non M version is fine for me although one day I would love to have a real M car.

If I would buy a X5M I would also gear it out further with individual options so it would also be even more expensive so the only option to get an M car would be to calculate what the X5 45e would cost me (in total) and reverse engineer the price to what M car I can afford (in terms of total cost over a period of 4 to 5 years in financial leasing) but then I probably won't have a car that suits my situation (two kids, a dog, a wife that complaints about the 4GC being low and sturdy, a bike rack, ...).
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The days of “M” or not are gone. BMW has made it crystal clear that there are degrees of “M” performance a owner is searching out and not a “all or nothing” like it was years ago. Not everyone wants a rock hard ride of a full “M” summer performance vehicle. BMW was alienating too many customers with that concept. BMW hit the nail on the head for a luxury performance oriented buyer with vehicle like the M760i, M550, M850, 50i M-Sport, etc.. A M760i is not a ”full M car” by older standards but at $180k does that take anything away from its greatness and actual performance? Here is where I believe some are getting lost in the semantics of “M” definition of today’s BMW.
A X50i M-Sport has all the luxury, technology, and performance yet still pulls a 4.3 second or better 0-60mph with big brakes and DHP. That’s M performance where it counts and embodies everything the original standards of M set out to establish in the M535i.
BMW’s new moniker of ultimate performance benchmark is “CS”. ‘Competition Sport” is the new all or nothing performance moniker.

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The days of "M" or not are gone. BMW has made it crystal clear that there are degrees of "M" performance a owner is searching out and not a "all or nothing" like it was years ago. Not everyone wants a rock hard ride of a full "M" summer performance vehicle. BMW was alienating too many customers with that concept. BMW hit the nail on the head for a luxury performance oriented buyer with vehicle like the M760i, M550, M850, 50i M-Sport, etc.. A M760i is not a "full M car" by older standards but at $180k does that take anything away from its greatness and actual performance? Here is where I believe some are getting lost in the semantics of "M" definition of today's BMW.
A X50i M-Sport has all the luxury, technology, and performance yet still pulls a 4.3 second or better 0-60mph with big brakes and DHP. That's M performance where it counts and embodies everything the original standards of M set out to establish.
BMW's new moniker of ultimate performance benchmark is "CS". 'Competition Sport" is the new all or nothing performance moniker.
Agreed except the standard non M Performance branded vehicles are not the same as noted below

The main level of M are:
M Sport: Visual only
M performance: Visual and performance I. e. M40i/M50d/M760i
Full blown //M: M2/3/4/5/8 X3/4/5/6M
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Agreed except the standard non M Performance branded vehicles are not the same as noted below

The main level of M are:
M Sport: Visual only
M performance: Visual and performance I. e. M40i/M50d/M760i
Full blown //M: M2/3/4/5/8 X3/4/5/6M
That’s true but now in some new models the owner can pick M performance parts like brakes, suspension, handeling packages that were once exclusive to only “M” cars. So there are now degrees of how extreme into the “M” world any one car can be optioned out. I guess my point of my other thread is the line in the sand between M or not has been blurred in many new models depending on options. The only line that is clearly uncompromised is “CS”.
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Agreed except the standard non M Performance branded vehicles are not the same as noted below

The main level of M are:
M Sport: Visual only
M performance: Visual and performance I. e. M40i/M50d/M760i
Full blown //M: M2/3/4/5/8 X3/4/5/6M
That's true but now in some new models the owner can pick M performance parts like brakes, suspension, handeling packages that were once exclusive to only "M" cars. So there are now degrees of how extreme into the "M" world any one car can be optioned out. I guess my point of my other thread is the line in the sand between M or not has been blurred in many new models depending on options. The only line that is clearly uncompromised is "CS".
just not engine upgrades but otherwise you can get similar things to M cars as mentioned. They don't offer the same hardcore level of tuning that you get on the full fat versions, even then they're good enough for 99% of people.
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just not engine upgrades but otherwise you can get similar things to M cars as mentioned. They don't offer the same hardcore level of tuning that you get on the full fat versions, even then they're good enough for 99% of people.
Yup, I think that 1%ers left are exactly the demographic BMW targets the Competition Sport to. In Porsche world, 3 decades ago there was the 930 Turbo and all the other 911’s. Porsche figured out over the years to offer once exclusive Turbo options on other 911’s. Now we have Carrare S, GTS and Carrera 4S with all turbo options and looks except for the actual turbo. (992 all have turbos). Its the same performance migration BMW is doing across the line.
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just not engine upgrades but otherwise you can get similar things to M cars as mentioned. They don't offer the same hardcore level of tuning that you get on the full fat versions, even then they're good enough for 99% of people.
Yup, I think that 1%ers left are exactly the demographic BMW targets the Competition Sport to. In Porsche world, 3 decades ago there was the 930 Turbo and all the other 911's. Porsche figured out over the years to offer once exclusive Turbo options on other 911's. Now we have Carrare S, GTS and Carrera 4S with all turbo options and looks except for the actual turbo. (992 all have turbos). Its the same performance migration BMW is doing across the line.
Porsche really does the nitty gritty of having it your way better than anyone else. Of course this comes at a steep price which is worth it for some. I love the new X5 and wanted a balance of performance and not having back problems everyday from the ride so that's why I got the 50i + DHP over waiting on the X5M
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Porsche really does the nitty gritty of having it your way better than anyone else. Of course this comes at a steep price which is worth it for some. I love the new X5 and wanted a balance of performance and not having back problems everyday from the ride so that's why I got the 50i + DHP over waiting on the X5M
You won’t be disappointed in the 50i performance. It’s a beast.
Porsche all out fleeces their owners. My C4S which is not a cheap 911 had $21k of options from full leather interior, audio, aluminum door handles, gauges, etc... I am not sure I have ever seen a bone stock base 911??? It probably would look low rent especially for its price point.
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Porsche really does the nitty gritty of having it your way better than anyone else. Of course this comes at a steep price which is worth it for some. I love the new X5 and wanted a balance of performance and not having back problems everyday from the ride so that's why I got the 50i + DHP over waiting on the X5M
You won't be disappointed in the 50i performance. It's a beast.
Porsche all out fleeces their owners. My C4S which is not a cheap 911 had $21k of options from full leather interior, audio, aluminum door handles, gauges, etc... I am not sure I have ever seen a bone stock base 911??? It probably would look low rent especially for its price point.
Well my existing M40i does 0-60 in 4.4s and the 1/4mile in 12.7s so hopefully it will be faster on both ends (I know it is but each car can vary).

I've wanted to get a Targa for a while but like every other sedan or non-SUV I won't drive it out here. My dad had a 911 and the options alone could've bought a second one which is what Porsche commands for the 'prestige' of normal features.

Our roads aren't great and most vehicles are 1/2-1ton pick ups or 18 wheelers. I don't want to die being in a smaller vehicle even though larger ones don't guarantee anything. The height of impact will at least not be as bad which is the goal.
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