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      01-18-2020, 09:18 PM   #1
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I’m impressed 25% of X6 buyers opt for the M versions. That’s significantly higher %’age than X5 and perhaps says something about typical X6 owners.
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I don’t doubt we will see even lower 0-60mph times by owners. I can occasionally get a sub 4 second time in my X5 50i M-Sport and NOT be using the launch control.

FYI to those new forum owners: we had a ongoing thread last year on Draggy times by owners. Two common facts we found out is....1 we can get a slightly faster 0 to omg speed not using launch control. 2....what your elevation is and temp is at testing will give you a slight advantage. A final interesting observation is how easy and repeatable these big SUV’s are at very fast launches. Even my wife can get a 4.3 second launch all day long just by mashing the pedal.
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And (discounting any other quirks) BMW is notorious for underpromising and overdelivering on speed from a standing start.
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And (discounting any other quirks) BMW is notorious for underpromising and overdelivering on speed from a standing start.
^^^Yup.... BMW is so conservative with their HP and performance specs that they are practically sandbagging to lure the competition into a smack down. This also separates the automotive press into who just compares vehicles by the spec sheet and who actually tests them.
Look at what the real world performance reports are with MB and Audi.

For example the Cayenne with optional Sports Chrono package is getting a real world 5.1 second 0-60mph by MT. What does the X5 40i with it’s base V6T engine get 0-60mph?????

The Cayenne Turbo real world performance comes in exactly the same as the X5 M50i real world performance by the automotive press that actually tested them. 3.8 seconds 0-60mph.

This begs the question of what the X5M will do with the inevitable comparison between the Cayenne Turbo and X5M??

BMW is always bringing a bigger gun to each gun fight in each comparison.

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      01-19-2020, 11:23 AM   #6
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I don't doubt we will see even lower 0-60mph times by owners. I can occasionally get a sub 4 second time in my X5 50i M-Sport and NOT be using the launch control.

FYI to those new forum owners: we had a ongoing thread last year on Draggy times by owners. Two common facts we found out is....1 we can get a slightly faster 0 to omg speed not using launch control. 2....what your elevation is and temp is at testing will give you a slight advantage. A final interesting observation is how easy and repeatable these big SUV's are at very fast launches. Even my wife can get a 4.3 second launch all day long just by mashing the pedal.
Nice that you can get a sub 4! Yeah my current car (GLC43) Car and Driver has it at 13.1 1/4mile @ 105. My best was 13.3 @ 102.
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And (discounting any other quirks) BMW is notorious for underpromising and overdelivering on speed from a standing start.
^^^Yup.... BMW is so conservative with their HP and performance specs that they are practically sandbagging to lure the competition into a smack down. This also separates the automotive press into who just compares vehicles by the spec sheet and who actually tests them.
Look at what the real world performance reports are with MB and Audi.

For example the Cayenne with optional Sports Chrono package is getting a real world 5.1 second 0-60mph by MT. What does the X5 40i with it's base V6T engine get 0-60mph?????

The Cayenne Turbo real world performance comes in exactly the same as the X5 M50i real world performance by the automotive press that actually tested them. 3.8 seconds 0-60mph.

This begs the question of what the X5M will do with the inevitable comparison between the Cayenne Turbo and X5M??

BMW is always bringing a bigger gun to each gun fight in each comparison.
I've noticed this too with both BMW and Mercedes. Tuners will do a baseline and power is always more than advertised.
There's been a few too where Mercedes comes out with their model first, and BMW with their competitor to it after, and even though the advertised power is the same or very similar, the BMW is always faster, lol.
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Awesome car. I do think they dumb down the engine comparison from M50i to X6M to 'more boost.' It's quite a bit more than that, but the layperson won't get it I guess.
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^^^Yup.... BMW is so conservative with their HP and performance specs that they are practically sandbagging to lure the competition into a smack down. This also separates the automotive press into who just compares vehicles by the spec sheet and who actually tests them.
Look at what the real world performance reports are with MB and Audi.

For example the Cayenne with optional Sports Chrono package is getting a real world 5.1 second 0-60mph by MT. What does the X5 40i with it’s base V6T engine get 0-60mph?????

The Cayenne Turbo real world performance comes in exactly the same as the X5 M50i real world performance by the automotive press that actually tested them. 3.8 seconds 0-60mph.

This begs the question of what the X5M will do with the inevitable comparison between the Cayenne Turbo and X5M??

BMW is always bringing a bigger gun to each gun fight in each comparison.
Car and Driver got Cayenne Turbo 0-60 3,5 sec. Cayenne Turbo S got 3,2 sec 0-60, which is X5 M Competition competitor.
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That's more than stout for a car off the shelf that most likely tennis moms will be driving having no idea or want to do what the car can do! Pretty amazing you ask me.
X6 is sportier and why I'd get X6M, almost did before my M5. I think it's my next car
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I don’t doubt we will see even lower 0-60mph times by owners. I can occasionally get a sub 4 second time in my X5 50i M-Sport and NOT be using the launch control.

FYI to those new forum owners: we had a ongoing thread last year on Draggy times by owners. Two common facts we found out is....1 we can get a slightly faster 0 to omg speed not using launch control. 2....what your elevation is and temp is at testing will give you a slight advantage. A final interesting observation is how easy and repeatable these big SUV’s are at very fast launches. Even my wife can get a 4.3 second launch all day long just by mashing the pedal.
With an automatic transmission and AWD, how could you possible mess it up? I'm sure the same is true for any AWD car with a well tuned automatic transmission.
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With an automatic transmission and AWD, how could you possible mess it up? I'm sure the same is true for any AWD car with a well tuned automatic transmission.
If you've spent anytime at the track, even with AWD and no launch control, it's easy to have times considerably slower than what you CAN get depending on how you launch. Not rocket science, mainly just left foot holding brake and right getting RPM up to the right spot, but if done wrong (or if just flooring from a stop) your time can easily be a half second slower at the 1/4 mile than if you get it right.


I would assume that with all the drivers aids off, with the power these have even when dry and in a straight line it's possible to have wheel slippage on these too? I know some of the guys with the GLC63's had some issue with this at the track.
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If you've spent anytime at the track, even with AWD and no launch control, it's easy to have times considerably slower than what you CAN get depending on how you launch. Not rocket science, mainly just left foot holding brake and right getting RPM up to the right spot, but if done wrong (or if just flooring from a stop) your time can easily be a half second slower at the 1/4 mile than if you get it right.


I would assume that with all the drivers aids off, with the power these have even when dry and in a straight line it's possible to have wheel slippage on these too? I know some of the guys with the GLC63's had some issue with this at the track.
Brake torque-ing just requires slamming the brakes, revving the engine to a particular RPM, and releasing the brake. You have one thing to keep an eye on, the perfect RPM to avoid bogging down, but that's about it. Even then, with an AWD car, that range is probably very large so you'd have a large margin of error.

I'd be impressed if you could break loose four summer performance tires with 1200mm of contact patch on a prepped drag strip. I'm sure it's possible, but it's probably very hard to break traction on this car.

But even if you are doing a non-antisocial launch at a stop light, you can still get very consistent times with these modern computers on wheels. The way BMW tunes their 8HP transmissions, you will get a fair amount of stall on the torque converter to give you a decent launch. You just have to be quick off the brake and on the gas.
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Car and Driver review article has been updated with instrument test numbers on Jan 14th.

Article: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-bmw-x6-drive/


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Looks like the X6M will be taking Merc and Porsche's lunch money.
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How’s daily driving of a 50 compared to 40 model?

These numbers are insane, but we won’t always be mashing the gas pedal
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Something doesn't make sense here; while I agree conditions can vary from test to test, compare the 2020 750i and the 2020 X6 M50i tests from car & driver. The times seem to be very close to each other despite the 750i weighing almost 400 lbs lighter. So it's as-if the 750i tested too slow or the X6 tested too fast. I assume the X6 M50i has the m-sport differential which can help with the launch, but even if you measure 60-100 speed they are the same..

2020 750i xDrive

C/D TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 14.0 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.2 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.5 sec @ 113 mph

Curb weight: 4878 lb


2020 BMW X6 M50i

C/D TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
60 mph: 3.8 sec
100 mph: 9.5 sec
130 mph: 17.1 sec
150 mph: 26.2 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.0 sec
¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 113 mph

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How’s daily driving of a 50 compared to 40 model?

These numbers are insane, but we won’t always be mashing the gas pedal
The 50 is a beast but a luxurious riding beast. It feels like lion on a chain with a steak just out of reach. It always wants to go and any reference of legal speed is meaningless. You got to be a responsible grown up to stay out of jail as blasts to crazy speeds is way too quick and addictive.

Daily living is as good as a luxury performance SUV can get before the ride gets harsh. There is a balance between luxury and balls out performance and we are there IMO. The new X5M will be faster but at a cost to comfort and versatility. It will ride like a rock in comparison.
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I'm impressed 25% of X6 buyers opt for the M versions. That's significantly higher %'age than X5 and perhaps says something about typical X6 owners.
The X6 is a specialty vehicle so not surprised at all. My dealer seems to have had a lot of the F86 models compared to the 50i and I bet going forward it will be the same with the new one.

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Something doesn't make sense here; while I agree conditions can vary from test to test, compare the 2020 750i and the 2020 X6 M50i tests from car & driver. The times seem to be very close to each other despite the 750i weighing almost 400 lbs lighter. So it's as-if the 750i tested too slow or the X6 tested too fast. I assume the X6 M50i has the m-sport differential which can help with the launch, but even if you measure 60-100 speed they are the same..

2020 750i xDrive

C/D TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 14.0 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.2 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.5 sec @ 113 mph

Curb weight: 4878 lb


2020 BMW X6 M50i

C/D TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
60 mph: 3.8 sec
100 mph: 9.5 sec
130 mph: 17.1 sec
150 mph: 26.2 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.0 sec
¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 113 mph

Curb weight: 5255 lb
Isn't a normal 0-60 different than a rollout 0-60? So that could explain the quicker X6 time you quoted?
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Something doesn't make sense here; while I agree conditions can vary from test to test, compare the 2020 750i and the 2020 X6 M50i tests from car & driver. The times seem to be very close to each other despite the 750i weighing almost 400 lbs lighter. So it's as-if the 750i tested too slow or the X6 tested too fast. I assume the X6 M50i has the m-sport differential which can help with the launch, but even if you measure 60-100 speed they are the same..

2020 750i xDrive

C/D TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 14.0 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.2 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.5 sec @ 113 mph

Curb weight: 4878 lb


2020 BMW X6 M50i

C/D TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
60 mph: 3.8 sec
100 mph: 9.5 sec
130 mph: 17.1 SEC
150 mph: 26.2 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.0 sec
¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 113 mph

Curb weight: 5255 lb
well the 750 has 245 and 275 tires.

x6 has 275 and 315 rear.

that and the m diff, or maybe the transmission is programmed different as m performance who knows
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This car is not to my personal taste but have to say the performance is amazing.
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