LCI X5M / X6M Competition Switches to S68 Mild Hybrid Engine @ 600hp

ynguldyn · 03-17-2022, 04:50 PM

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X5M / X6M LCI update from the Future BMW Models Information thread.

X5M / X6M (F95 / F96)

LCI in 04/23.
In production until 07/26 (G05, F95) and 03/27 (G06, F96)
F95/F96 X5M/X6M LCI is moving to S68
Getting renamed to X5/X6 M Competition (no more Comp option - just one version remains, like we've seen with other M model refreshes).
The official output of the gasoline unit will remain at 600hp but since this is a mild hybrid we should expect a small bump in the actual performance.

CBBMWNA · 03-22-2022, 02:42 PM

It's been rumored for awhile that there was a replacement for the S63 in the works. The codename is S68. Twin turbo V8 hybrid setup, but it was supposed to be closer to 700-750 horsepower. Guess time will tell!

Ibiza · 03-22-2022, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BPMSport

The S68 is unfortunately going to be the last V8 engine BMW produces.

Hope that the M EV's that BMW AG has planned can deliver, otherwise will be a big flop.

i043X · 03-22-2022, 03:17 PM

Interested to see what engine they are utilizing and other specs.....I cannot imagine a twin turbo V8 hybrid putting out only ~600 hp. Confused here....

j23 · 03-22-2022, 03:20 PM

Mild or Mile?

amc42 · 03-22-2022, 03:21 PM

It is a mild hybrid, like practically all new BMWs with an ICE are a mild hybrid. Not a PHEV. The 700hp+ figures mentioned apply to the PHEV setup in the XM.

6speed_M2 · 03-22-2022, 03:22 PM

This could be a good thing depending on how you look at it.

If the current M cars get a 100-150hp bump from their current versions without aggressive tuning or race gas, they'll be no need to further modify engines and risk reliability.

to_riffic · 03-22-2022, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibiza

Hope that the M EV's that BMW AG has planned can deliver, otherwise will be a big flop.

I think that won't be a problem. People screamed blasphemy when they put xDrive into the M5, and everyone gleamed over it. I doubt they'd mess this up in an M

mjr24 · 03-22-2022, 03:46 PM

So with the Comp no longer being a package.....would I assume the X5M base would be the same price as it's been....whereas the X5M Comp's price will increase by $9k?

Not sure what they did with pricing of other models they did this to? Obviously I doubt they will start selling the X5M Comp for the same price as the base now.

ynguldyn · 03-22-2022, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mjr24

So with the Comp no longer being a package.....would I assume the X5M base would be the same price as it's been....whereas the X5M Comp's price will increase by $9k?

Not sure what they did with pricing of other models they did this to? Obviously I doubt they will start selling the X5M Comp for the same price as the base now.

There won't be a base model.

mjr24 · 03-22-2022, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ynguldyn

There won't be a base model.

So what have they done with pricing of other models where they got rid of the base? Did they raise the price of the car or are you basically getting a Comp for base pricing?

LemonOne · 03-22-2022, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by j23

Mild or Mile?

It will be mine

redpill · 03-22-2022, 08:41 PM

mercedes started this nonsense..so the first model year aka the 2023s can be safely avoided...

Russ103 · 03-22-2022, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6speed_M2

This could be a good thing depending on how you look at it.

If the current M cars get a 100-150hp bump from their current versions without aggressive tuning or race gas, they'll be no need to further modify engines and risk reliability.

You know this is a car forum right?

No matter how much HP a vehicle comes with, car guys will always want more.

If I had a 1500hp Bugatti Chiron, I would be researching a tune at least.

Mako · 03-22-2022, 09:50 PM

So will this weigh more?

werdn · 03-22-2022, 09:59 PM

I hope they will make the V8 sound better with the new engine

brad850csi · 03-22-2022, 10:11 PM

Just checking that this is 592bhp/600ps/441kw?

If so this is a reasonable bit less than the 617bhp/625ps/460kw current engine.

laptimes · 03-22-2022, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

So will this weigh more?

It will weigh more(all the 48 volt mild hybrid hardware) and have 17 hp less. This is a mild hybrid which was necessitated by euro emission laws and helps with start stop fuel efficiency so don't expect a performance boost from this. Will be interesting to see how this performs vs current gen.

ynguldyn · 03-22-2022, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Just checking that this is 592bhp/600ps/441kw?

If so this is a reasonable bit less than the 617bhp/625ps/460kw current engine.

We don't know how much kick the electric side will add to that. I would expect enough to make it go as quickly or quicker than the current Comp.

moff · 03-23-2022, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpill

mercedes started this nonsense..so the first model year aka the 2023s can be safely avoided...

Why? BMW have been providing mild hybrid setups for years now.

scottiekay73 · 03-23-2022, 06:14 AM

The value of the gasoline version will stay strong as a pre-owned. Most are not ready for the Hybrid set up. I for one am not. Nothing better then the sound of the engine, it makes the drive experience way more fun.

TheStanman · 03-23-2022, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by amc42

It is a mild hybrid, like practically all new BMWs with an ICE are a mild hybrid. Not a PHEV. The 700hp+ figures mentioned apply to the PHEV setup in the XM.

I don't like that OEMs market 48v systems as "hybrids." While it's technically accurate, they offer minimal benefits and confuse most consumers.

There are really 3 levels of hybridization:
1) Mild Hybrids: 48V systems. Mostly just improve start-stop functionality. Minimal to no performance benefit, small efficiency benefit (<5%).

2) Hybrids: Meaningful performance (~90hp in the new Tundra), big fuel economy benefits (20 - 40%), minimal weight gain or cost (battery is usually <2kWh), don't plug in

3) PHEV: Big performance and efficiency gain, but very expensive and heavy, must plug-in religiously to see benefit

I wish more OEMs used hybrids. They offer much of the benefits without the negatives (weight, cost, plugging in) and allow OEMs to hit their emissions requirements without going so heavy into EV/PHEV.

Rant over.

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