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      12-06-2010, 07:29 PM   #1
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New Snow Tires, no traction dry conditions

Hey guys, I just got a set of Bridgeston Blizzack ws60 18", running 33psi front and 38 rear. I only had them on for one day, however i have no traction in dry weather. I only have a giac flash, but other then that the car is completely stock. I mean it is scary, I feel like i am driving a rally car... On the highways, 4th gear my tires spin!!!
doi need to brake the tires in? its been cold less then 32F. I drove about 120 miles on them.

Please let me know if anyone has experienced this.

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      12-06-2010, 07:45 PM   #2
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Normal, just put more miles on the tires, and once the protective coating is off the tration will improve. Also winter tires don't handle as good as summer tires, so get used to it. Even after you break in the new tires the traction will be limited. Just take it easy for few days.
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I understand exactly what you're talking about. I had Blizzak LM-25’s on my old E46 sedan for one season and I couldn't wait to get rid of them. While the Blizzaks were great in the snow, their dry road handling was absolutely horrible (even after the required break-in period). The Blizzaks made my E46 handle like a dump truck on dry roads, and dry roads are what you're mostly driving on during winter in the tri-state area anyway.

My current winter wheel setup on my E90 are 225/45R-17 Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D tires mounted on 17x8 Rial Salerno wheels. The tires are very good in the snow and they handle pretty decently on dry roads too.
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Normal, just put more miles on the tires, and once the protective coating is off the tration will improve. Also winter tires don't handle as good as summer tires, so get used to it. Even after you break in the new tires the traction will be limited. Just take it easy for few days.
^^ This! Also, make sure you are running correct pressures. But that drunken-squirrel feeling is almost surely just brand-new tires that haven't worn off the mold-release yet.
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Normal, just put more miles on the tires, and once the protective coating is off the tration will improve. Also winter tires don't handle as good as summer tires, so get used to it. Even after you break in the new tires the traction will be limited. Just take it easy for few days.
^^ This! Also, make sure you are running correct pressures. But that drunken-squirrel feeling is almost surely just brand-new tires that haven't worn off the mold-release yet.
1. It takes a little for the tires to break in. Check with your vendor to see what they say for that type of wheel.
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Tires are comprised of many layers of rubber, steel and fabric. Due to these different components, your new tires require a break-in period to ensure that they deliver their normal ride quality and maximum performance. As tires are cured, a release lubricant is applied to prevent them from sticking in their mold. Some of the lubricant stays on the surface of your tires, reducing traction until it is worn away. Five hundred miles of easy acceleration, cornering and braking will allow the mold release lubricant to wear off, allowing the other tire components to begin working together. It is also important to note that your old tires probably had very little tread depth remaining when you felt it was time to replace them. As any autocrosser or racer who has tread rubber shaved off of his tires will tell you, low tread depth tires respond more quickly. Don't be surprised if your new tires are a little slower to respond (even if you use the exact same tire as before). Their new, full depth brings with it a little more tread squirm until they wear down.

NOTE: Be careful whenever you explore the capabilities of your new tires. Remember that every tire requires a break-in period of 500 miles for optimum performance.
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The coefficient of friction is lower on snow tires due to the compound and the flexi-ness of the tires because of all the grooves. They will not give you nearly the traction you're used to. Gonna have to deal with it bud.
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Thanks for all the replies, I hope that by 500 miles it will be better...
it sucks to feel like drivin on oil...
I think it got a bit better today unless I am getting used to it.

I will update you guys in a few days

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I understand exactly what you're talking about. I had Blizzak LM-25’s on my old E46 sedan for one season and I couldn't wait to get rid of them. While the Blizzaks were great in the snow, their dry road handling was absolutely horrible (even after the required break-in period). The Blizzaks made my E46 handle like a dump truck on dry roads, and dry roads are what you're mostly driving on during winter in the tri-state area anyway.

My current winter wheel setup on my E90 are 225/45R-17 Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D tires mounted on 17x8 Rial Salerno wheels. The tires are very good in the snow and they handle pretty decently on dry roads too.
Same as me running Dunlops now and love them
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Same as me running Dunlops now and love them
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      12-15-2010, 05:31 PM   #11
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Just wanted to give you all an update.
500 + miles later and the tires are better, but still not great.

I then lowered by tires PSI to about 32 front and 36 rear. I am using nitrogen not sure if it matters.

after I've done that traction improved a bit more, so I guess that is as good as it gets for now.
Hope this information turns out to be helpful for others.

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      12-15-2010, 05:47 PM   #12
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the ws60 is not a performance winter tire like the lm-25, lm-60, alpine pa3 etc...
So it's dry performance will be even more lacking.
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