PNP or flash..need some input!

teemmy · 01-08-2012, 11:28 PM

Hello! I don't want to start another war on tunes, but i've been researching different tunes the past couple days and I'd just like to get some advice. I'm looking to get a tune for about 40hp and 40tqs at the wheels (or 50/50). I have a completely stock 09 e90 6mt. I was thinking Procede or Cobb... input please!

1000klr · 01-08-2012, 11:36 PM

why waste all that money for only 40hp...tis tis

just get a jb+ and spend the rest on some balls, jk but really

teemmy · 01-08-2012, 11:50 PM

haha, I looked into the jb+, but I want a higher quality tune just in case i want more power in the future. I've been reading about how JB doesn't tune the a/f ratios like procede does and instead relies on the car's knock sensors (or something like that). So I want to get a tune of higher quality

just wanna hear other peoples' inputs

1000klr · 01-08-2012, 11:56 PM

a tune...is a tune. it can tune whatever you want, given the tuner is smart enough

in for war

Fred_Boosted · 01-09-2012, 08:16 AM

Dude...

40+

If you only want do a tune, then go cobb.

Easy to install and uninstall, worth the money, and you will be happy.

enrita · 01-09-2012, 08:34 AM

Go Cobb if you dont want to tinker to much, just run the drive or sport stage 1.

luv135i · 01-09-2012, 08:45 AM

Just get a tune and live your life..Everyone is biased towards their own tune

E90SoFlo · 01-09-2012, 09:53 AM

I agree that Cobb is the Easiest. I think everyone agree's with that.

If you're looking at running Meth you will want the Proceede, If you're just looking for a bump in HP the cobb will do that.

And if you want to make more power at another time, which you will. You will be able to do that with the Cobb.

ar design · 01-09-2012, 10:56 AM

Cobb Stage 1, you will LOVE it!

ECSTuning · 01-09-2012, 11:11 AM

I'm a huge fan of the Cobb Tunes. With the original stage 1 tune we experienced gains of 52 HP and 72 TQ over stock on our dyno in our 335i.

ECS Tuning

scottp999 · 01-09-2012, 11:40 AM

Cobb.

Dr_Dirt · 01-09-2012, 12:42 PM

With COBB you don't even need to lift the hood. Takes about 15 min to upload the tune and you get the same or better power than the piggies. You won't even break a sweat

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 01-09-2012, 12:47 PM

Jb4 Cobb and PROcede make more then 40WHP to the wheels (about 60-70WHP usually) so if you can live with more power then you can choose any of those tunes.

RambleJ · 01-09-2012, 01:59 PM

If I were you i'd go with cobb

MKR_DmD · 01-09-2012, 03:12 PM

JB4. Install and removal is easy. Best part it is cheaper then the other 2 options and doesn't lock to your vin. So if you want to sell it, it would be easy as hell. Hell, you can even pick up a used one for around $400. And the best customer service ever.

Brey335i · 01-09-2012, 03:19 PM

COBB doesn't vin lock either...

OP, you should contact Jeff@Topgearsolutions about this purchase. He's great to deal with, sells all three tunes mentioned here, and has great prices and awesome service.

MKR_DmD · 01-09-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brey335i

COBB doesn't vin lock either...

In the STi world, people use to flash there car with the Cobb then sell the unit. Then the new owner couldn't flash his car becuase it was alread installed on another car. Talk about f up. Just an FYI for people buying these used.

Brey335i · 01-09-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DrivinMissDaisy

In the STi world, people use to flash there car with the Cobb then sell the unit. Then the new owner couldn't flash his car becuase it was alread installed on another car. Talk about f up. Just an FYI for people buying these used.

Yes. The seller must unmarry it from the car... by clicking uninstall. I can't really imagine that many members on here would cheat someone like that...

Fundahl · 01-09-2012, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teemmy

haha, I looked into the jb+, but I want a higher quality tune just in case i want more power in the future. I've been reading about how JB doesn't tune the a/f ratios like procede does and instead relies on the car's knock sensors (or something like that). So I want to get a tune of higher quality

just wanna hear other peoples' inputs

The crap about JB4 vs Procede V5 is false. The ECU is always adjusting ignition timing, fuel trims, boost target and waste-gate duty cycle.

They simply modify the signals in each their own way.

The COBB flash is the easiest way to go, but I prefer the JB4 for methanol injection, the dash features, custom boost targets per RPM, gear-based boost limiters, and easier logging ability.

fast4door · 01-09-2012, 03:42 PM

cobb all the way

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 01-09-2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fundahl

The crap about JB4 vs Procede V5 is false. The ECU is always adjusting ignition timing, fuel trims, boost target and waste-gate duty cycle.

They simply modify the signals in each their own way.

The COBB flash is the easiest way to go, but I prefer the JB4 for methanol injection, the dash features, custom boost targets per RPM, gear-based boost limiters, and easier logging ability.

The CPS module can be used to reduce timing actively for the JB4. The PROcede does proactively reduce timing from the start. All tunes including Cobb will use the knock sensors if timing is not reduced/tuned enough.

The method and targets of the air fuel ratios between the tunes is very controversial but they all seem to perform quite well regardless.

teemmy · 01-09-2012, 09:52 PM

Hrm Cobb seems to be getting a lot of positive feedback. Without having an iron foot, has anyone gotten more mpg with cobb? It seems as though a lot of people say running procede gives them better mpg. I need to do some more research on Cobb specs...

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teemmy Private First Class 9 Rep 155 Posts Drives: n/a Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	PNP or flash..need some input! Hello! I don't want to start another war on tunes, but i've been researching different tunes the past couple days and I'd just like to get some advice. I'm looking to get a tune for about 40hp and 40tqs at the wheels (or 50/50). I have a completely stock 09 e90 6mt. I was thinking Procede or Cobb... input please!
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1000klr First Lieutenant 29 Rep 378 Posts Drives: 2008 Bmw 335i/JB4 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Greenville, NC iTrader: (1)	why waste all that money for only 40hp...tis tis just get a jb+ and spend the rest on some balls, jk but really __________________ Current: 2012 Mustang GT 5.0(Brembo Package, Jon Lund tune, steeda 101mm CAI, roush axlebacks, offroad xpipe) Current: 2008 Honda CBR1000RR (Jardine Slip-On, PC III, dyno tuned at 173 rwhp) Sold: 2008 BMW 335i(JB4, Stett CP/Tial BOV,BMS DCI, Raceland Catless DP)
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teemmy Private First Class 9 Rep 155 Posts Drives: n/a Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	haha, I looked into the jb+, but I want a higher quality tune just in case i want more power in the future. I've been reading about how JB doesn't tune the a/f ratios like procede does and instead relies on the car's knock sensors (or something like that). So I want to get a tune of higher quality just wanna hear other peoples' inputs
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1000klr First Lieutenant 29 Rep 378 Posts Drives: 2008 Bmw 335i/JB4 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Greenville, NC iTrader: (1)	a tune...is a tune. it can tune whatever you want, given the tuner is smart enough in for war __________________ Current: 2012 Mustang GT 5.0(Brembo Package, Jon Lund tune, steeda 101mm CAI, roush axlebacks, offroad xpipe) Current: 2008 Honda CBR1000RR (Jardine Slip-On, PC III, dyno tuned at 173 rwhp) Sold: 2008 BMW 335i(JB4, Stett CP/Tial BOV,BMS DCI, Raceland Catless DP)
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01-09-2012, 08:16 AM	#5
Fred_Boosted Captain 90 Rep 632 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 BMW 335i [8.00]	Dude... 40+ If you only want do a tune, then go cobb. Easy to install and uninstall, worth the money, and you will be happy.
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01-09-2012, 08:34 AM	#6
enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	Go Cobb if you dont want to tinker to much, just run the drive or sport stage 1. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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luv135i Major 60 Rep 1,073 Posts Drives: White Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: GA iTrader: (0)	Just get a tune and live your life..Everyone is biased towards their own tune
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01-09-2012, 09:53 AM	#8
E90SoFlo Banned 196 Rep 2,669 Posts Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Naples, FL iTrader: (9)	I agree that Cobb is the Easiest. I think everyone agree's with that. If you're looking at running Meth you will want the Proceede, If you're just looking for a bump in HP the cobb will do that. And if you want to make more power at another time, which you will. You will be able to do that with the Cobb.
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ar design 297 Rep 4,408 Posts Drives: 04 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Denver, CO iTrader: (9)	Cobb Stage 1, you will LOVE it! __________________ -Critter
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ECSTuning New Lifetime Replacement Policy 818 Rep 11,738 Posts Drives: Independent Tuning Specialists Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio iTrader: (18)	I'm a huge fan of the Cobb Tunes. With the original stage 1 tune we experienced gains of 52 HP and 72 TQ over stock on our dyno in our 335i. ECS Tuning
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01-09-2012, 11:40 AM	#11
scottp999 Brigadier General 133 Rep 4,764 Posts Drives: 4runner SR5 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: MD iTrader: (2) Garage List 2007 BMW 335 [9.00]	Cobb.
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01-09-2012, 12:42 PM	#12
Dr_Dirt Major 62 Rep 1,476 Posts Drives: E90 335i 6AT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DFW iTrader: (1)	With COBB you don't even need to lift the hood. Takes about 15 min to upload the tune and you get the same or better power than the piggies. You won't even break a sweat
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01-09-2012, 12:47 PM	#13
Jeff@TopGearSolutions 3441 Rep 79,211 Posts Drives: C6 Z06, 09 335i, 10 335xi Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: www.TopGearSolutions.com iTrader: (37)	Jb4 Cobb and PROcede make more then 40WHP to the wheels (about 60-70WHP usually) so if you can live with more power then you can choose any of those tunes.
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RambleJ Colonel 60 Rep 2,014 Posts Drives: F10 535i M-sport Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Back in teh so cal iTrader: (2)	If I were you i'd go with cobb
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MKR_DmD Lieutenant 6 Rep 494 Posts Drives: 16 Jeep Cherokee Join Date: May 2010 Location: Germany iTrader: (3)	JB4. Install and removal is easy. Best part it is cheaper then the other 2 options and doesn't lock to your vin. So if you want to sell it, it would be easy as hell. Hell, you can even pick up a used one for around $400. And the best customer service ever.
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Brey335i Banned 112 Rep 4,771 Posts Drives: e46 ///M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (11)	COBB doesn't vin lock either... OP, you should contact Jeff@Topgearsolutions about this purchase. He's great to deal with, sells all three tunes mentioned here, and has great prices and awesome service.
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01-09-2012, 03:42 PM	#20
fast4door Captain 29 Rep 802 Posts Drives: E60 M5 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Davie, FL iTrader: (3)	cobb all the way
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01-09-2012, 09:52 PM	#22
teemmy Private First Class 9 Rep 155 Posts Drives: n/a Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	Hrm Cobb seems to be getting a lot of positive feedback. Without having an iron foot, has anyone gotten more mpg with cobb? It seems as though a lot of people say running procede gives them better mpg. I need to do some more research on Cobb specs...
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