Procede versus RD Sport Blackbox

BzzzBom · 07-12-2007, 10:03 PM

How does the Procede compare to the RD Sport Blackbox w/ regard to:
1. Total maximum boost
2. A/F ratios
3. Timing
4. Reliability
5. Cost
6. Upgrade ability

Do either piggybacks change the DTC, rev limit or maximum speed?

Finally, where in the Los Angeles area can you get the Procede or Blackbox installed?

CASHBY · 07-12-2007, 10:04 PM

prepare.

BoLaS · 07-12-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

prepare.

im getting in early on this one!!!

opc orn:

: popcorn:

schneid4323 · 07-12-2007, 10:10 PM

6. Upgrade Ability, on procede FAIL!

335iheLLraiseR · 07-12-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by schneid4323

6. Upgrade Ability, on procede FAIL!

please elaborate on this schneid4323................

OpenFlash · 07-12-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

please elaborate on this schneid4323................

He wants me to provide his mechanic with our proprietary tuning software and to train him on how to use it. So he can tune his car which is now modified with an intake, intercooler and downpipes. We will never do this for a number of reasons. Only one of them being IP related. One major reason is because our software no longer uses an intuitive interface. It's been developed for internal use only. Giving someone a crash course in any subject with books printed in another language isn't the best idea. We've talked to his mechanic and he understands the situation. Unfortunately, schneid4323 doesn't approve of our decision.
Shiv

schneid4323 · 07-12-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

He wants me to provide his mechanic with our proprietary tuning software and to train him on how to use it. So he can tune his car which is now modified with an intake, intercooler and downpipes. We will never do this for a number of reasons. Only one of them being IP related. One major reason is because our software no longer uses an intuitive interface. It's been developed for internal use only. Giving someone a crash course in any subject with books printed in another language isn't the best idea. We've talked to his mechanic and he understands the situation. Unfortunately, schneid4323 doesn't approve of our decision.
Shiv

I never asked for training. I did ask for software, you said no, I accepted. We also disscussed me bringing the car to cali and paying you to tune it, because of your refusal to come to dallas. You said ok, so i have sent PM's and emails elaborating on the topic, all of which fell upon deaf ears. So yes you fail at upgrade abillity, because of the lack of response and because of your additude to the situation in general.

schneid4323 · 07-12-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

He wants me to provide his mechanic with our proprietary tuning software and to train him on how to use it. So he can tune his car which is now modified with an intake, intercooler and downpipes. We will never do this for a number of reasons. Only one of them being IP related. One major reason is because our software no longer uses an intuitive interface. It's been developed for internal use only. Giving someone a crash course in any subject with books printed in another language isn't the best idea. We've talked to his mechanic and he understands the situation. Unfortunately, schneid4323 doesn't approve of our decision.
Shiv

And I dont appreciate your Michael Moore style presentation of the situtation. Yes i wanted you to provide us with the software AND STILL DO, but we have tried to come up with other options, which you agreed to (And would cost me an arm and a leg) and then failed to follow up on.

BzzzBom · 07-12-2007, 11:23 PM

..wow this thread got off track fast! I was thinking about the Procede but I never rec'd a response from any of my emails from months ago. I have heard only positive things about RD Sport but not many people seem to have their product. Maybe it's best to wait for Dinan, MTH, or BMW ECU reflash. BTW, are fuel pump failures more common with Procede or other piggybacks?

Div4our · 07-12-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BzzzBom

..wow this thread got off track fast! I was thinking about the Procede but I never rec'd a response from any of my emails from months ago. I have heard only positive things about RD Sport but not many people seem to have their product. Maybe it's best to wait for Dinan, MTH, or BMW ECU reflash. BTW, are fuel pump failures more common with Procede or other piggybacks?

fuel pump failures don't have anything to do with piggybacks or aftermarket ecu's (atleast there isn't any concrete information to back it up with).

also, stock cars have the fuel pump prob too.

BzzzBom · 07-12-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by division4our

fuel pump failures don't have anything to do with piggybacks or aftermarket ecu's (atleast there isn't any concrete information to back it up with).

also, stock cars have the fuel pump prob too.

There does not appear to be a concensus on what's causing HPFP failures. There has been discussion about alcohol in US fuels, faulty components etc.. It seems that if you increase boost (more air) you need more fuel and the fuel pump needs to work harder.

judec · 07-12-2007, 11:36 PM

not again...

BzzzBom · 07-12-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by judec

not again...

?

RKP-M6 · 07-12-2007, 11:41 PM

how about both of you stop being childish and talk about this in private. We don't give a flying F*ck about what happened. No offense to you guys, it's just something we don't need to hear.

BuckJon · 07-12-2007, 11:41 PM

Anyone on here have the RD Sport Blackbox?

judec · 07-12-2007, 11:42 PM

such a thread comes up at least once a week. I dont even know why do I open it...

e.n335 · 07-13-2007, 02:52 PM

I don't see a problem. Shiv is willing to tune the car but schneid is offended because his requests have not been answered. Make an appointment and have your car tuned from Shiv

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Riss Racing · 07-13-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by schneid4323

And I dont appreciate your Michael Moore style presentation of the situtation. Yes i wanted you to provide us with the software AND STILL DO, but we have tried to come up with other options, which you agreed to (And would cost me an arm and a leg) and then failed to follow up on.

I am not familiar with your entire situation. However from "cea 3" Shiv, and all of Vishnu has been more than helpful for him on several occasions. I understand as an enthusiast you want your power NOW. However if you want a custom tune for upgrades you have done. You should expect to pay for the service. By the way great work with the all the upgrades...

-Anthony

DrewKo · 07-13-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Riss Racing

I am not familiar with your entire situation. However from "cea 3" Shiv, and all of Vishnu has been more than helpful for him on several occasions. I understand as an enthusiast you want your power NOW. However if you want a custom tune for upgrades you have done. You should expect to pay for the service. By the way great work with the all the upgrades...

-Anthony

+1 Nice to see some common sense expressed....

lawdude · 07-13-2007, 03:10 PM

Is schneid the new Terry?

e.n335 · 07-13-2007, 03:17 PM

It seems to me schneid is ok. Just understand that a custom tune will be only possible from Shiv in person and will cost a noticeable amount of money. Shiv somewhere wrote they need the car for 3 days ...

hotrod2448 · 07-13-2007, 03:37 PM

When Shiv had the Exede for the Evo you could tune it yourself which was a nice feature to have. I was under the impression the Procede was going to be the same way. Since, it isn't the more relevant questions are:

Is any tuner RD sport included going to give you the software to tune it yourself?

And

How many of you really feel comfortable doing it yourself?

I would venture to say the answers are "No" and "not many".

Also with the Evo he had several off the shelf maps available for different combinations of mods. You could just download them and plug them in and be fairly close. I would hope that eventually this same type of service would be available for this car since, no one wants to wait to install a part until a tuner makes his annual visit to within 300 miles of their area. I think it will take time to develop the map data base though.

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BzzzBom Major 93 Rep 1,216 Posts Drives: 05 R53 MINI / 09 335i Coupe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	..wow this thread got off track fast! I was thinking about the Procede but I never rec'd a response from any of my emails from months ago. I have heard only positive things about RD Sport but not many people seem to have their product. Maybe it's best to wait for Dinan, MTH, or BMW ECU reflash. BTW, are fuel pump failures more common with Procede or other piggybacks?
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RKP-M6 Second Lieutenant 34 Rep 238 Posts Drives: BMW M6 Coupe Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downtown Seattle iTrader: (0)	how about both of you stop being childish and talk about this in private. We don't give a flying F*ck about what happened. No offense to you guys, it's just something we don't need to hear.
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	I don't see a problem. Shiv is willing to tune the car but schneid is offended because his requests have not been answered. Make an appointment and have your car tuned from Shiv .
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	It seems to me schneid is ok. Just understand that a custom tune will be only possible from Shiv in person and will cost a noticeable amount of money. Shiv somewhere wrote they need the car for 3 days ...
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hotrod2448 grand poobah 254 Rep 2,253 Posts Drives: F80 M3, F10 535i Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 335d [0.00]	When Shiv had the Exede for the Evo you could tune it yourself which was a nice feature to have. I was under the impression the Procede was going to be the same way. Since, it isn't the more relevant questions are: Is any tuner RD sport included going to give you the software to tune it yourself? And How many of you really feel comfortable doing it yourself? I would venture to say the answers are "No" and "not many". Also with the Evo he had several off the shelf maps available for different combinations of mods. You could just download them and plug them in and be fairly close. I would hope that eventually this same type of service would be available for this car since, no one wants to wait to install a part until a tuner makes his annual visit to within 300 miles of their area. I think it will take time to develop the map data base though. Last edited by hotrod2448; 07-13-2007 at 04:13 PM..
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