[BmwECY]

I've been gone from this forum for a few years, but I was suprised to see the same tune allegiance when i got back. why do people care so much about what tune they currently have or why it's better than X or Y?

I feel like this platform, in particular, is very narcissistic and insecure. you won't find this BS on other platforms, including other bmw forums. do you really have so much insecurity that proclaiming your everlasting love for your tune makes you feel more secure/less inadequate?

discuss

[JStang]

Originally Posted by BmwECY

I've been gone from this forum for a few years, but I was suprised to see the same tune allegiance when i got back. why do people care so much about what tune they currently have or why it's better than X or Y?

I feel like this platform, in particular, is very narcissistic and insecure. you won't find this BS on other platforms, including other bmw forums. do you really have so much insecurity that proclaiming your everlasting love for your tune makes you feel more secure/less inadequate?

discuss

Have you read your own posts over the past few days sucking off the open flash tablet? You are as guilty as anyone else who loves their tune.

Bottom line, 99% of the people think what they have is the best. Until you compare with something else you don't know any better.

[135Pats]

I wont argue theres alot of bullshit on E90post...but if you think thats unique to this group...lol.

Check out M3post some time. There are some folks with Herculean egos and imperial hubris.

[BmwECY]

Originally Posted by JStang

Have you read your own posts over the past few days sucking off the open flash tablet? You are as guilty as anyone else who loves their tune.

Bottom line, 99% of the people think what they have is the best. Until you compare with something else you don't know any better.

i think conceptually, the tuning landscape has changed significantly in the past week. yes, i have an open source tablet. i also have a jb4, and i sold a cobb accessport, twice. i have a procede, and i've ran a flash tune from Eurocharged (they're local to me)

what i'm getting at is how defensive people get towards a new product. you could fall into that category, too

[maxwell600]

Originally Posted by 135Pats

I wont argue theres alot of bullshit on E90post...but if you think thats unique to this group...lol.

Check out M3post some time. There are some folks with Herculean egos and imperial hubris.

They need to try shrooms lol.

[dfjaws]

I think a big part of the reason that everyone has the same tune is because they don't have a reason to switch. I have the JB4. I'm happy with it, customer service is good, I'm used to all the menus/controls/logs/etc. Why switch?

[JStang]

I'm not defensive at all just a bit curious about the numbers. However, I will be the first to admit that I love my Cobb tune and the PTF maps are a must have IMO. Not many cars out there trapping 120+ on stock turbos but PTF makes it happen.

With that said, if this proves to be a better TUNE than Cobb and not just a fancy piece of hardware I will gladly jump ship. The open flash definitely has my interest.

[zeel]

I've tried all 3 major tunes without bias and ended up using the one(s) that my car likes most. lol

[feedmyfast]

i have to chime in on this one LOL... its true that MOST people think what they have is the best. personally im not a fan of cookie cutter maps, i rather get my car on the dyno and make my own. this is why i switched to open flash. i previously has the AA flash and it is utter garbage, my boost would literally fluctuate 2lbs from 4500 up like a yoyo. if you dont believe me i have the dyno sheets to prove it. i have never seen anything like that ever.

[BmwECY]

Originally Posted by feedmyfast

i have to chime in on this one LOL... its true that MOST people think what they have is the best. personally im not a fan of cookie cutter maps, i rather get my car on the dyno and make my own. this is why i switched to open flash. i previously has the AA flash and it is utter garbage, my boost would literally fluctuate 2lbs from 4500 up like a yoyo. if you dont believe me i have the dyno sheets to prove it. i have never seen anything like that ever.

i had a great "canned tune" from Eurocharged on my old 335i. it was suprisingly solid with no boost occilations and no timing corrections (when logged with my BT cable)

i ran COBB off-the-shelf maps and had horrible performance. my car was FBO (no meth), and I tried several maps. Stage 1, stage 1+, stage 2+, nothing seemed to work on my car. Eurocharged (based in Houston) had a great stage 2/3 map that i had no issues with whatsoever.

as far as piggy backs go, i can't really get past the jb4's direct copy-cat approach to marketing. the procede was the first to have dozens of features, that are now in the jb4. people that have been around long enough probably remember the jb3. you had to turn off the car, stomp the gas pedal repeatedly to change maps. you couldn't read/clear codes with the jb3. there were no in-dash boost/afr/etc gauges. you also couldn't do anything related to CAN-bus.

the procede that was around at the same time (rev. 2, v3 and v4) had all the aforementioned features. terry@bms just bought a procede, reverse engineered all the procede features, and called it a jb4. it's nuts if you don't know the history behind each tune. especially the "TERRY TUNER." lol if you ever get bored, just search "TERRY TUNER" on e90post and read the posts/threads from 2007-08

[JStang]

Originally Posted by BmwECY

i had a great "canned tune" from Eurocharged on my old 335i. it was suprisingly solid with no boost occilations and no timing corrections (when logged with my BT cable)

i ran COBB off-the-shelf maps and had horrible performance. my car was FBO (no meth), and I tried several maps. Stage 1, stage 1+, stage 2+, nothing seemed to work on my car. Eurocharged (based in Houston) had a great stage 2/3 map that i had no issues with whatsoever.

as far as piggy backs go, i can't really get past the jb4's direct copy-cat approach to marketing. the procede was the first to have dozens of features, that are now in the jb4. people that have been around long enough probably remember the jb3. you had to turn off the car, stomp the gas pedal repeatedly to change maps. you couldn't read/clear codes with the jb3. there were no in-dash boost/afr/etc gauges. you also couldn't do anything related to CAN-bus.

the procede that was around at the same time (rev. 2, v3 and v4) had all the aforementioned features. terry@bms just bought a procede, reverse engineered all the procede features, and called it a jb4. it's nuts if you don't know the history behind each tune. especially the "TERRY TUNER." lol if you ever get bored, just search "TERRY TUNER" on e90post and read the posts/threads from 2007-08

Nice. I'm going to try the open flash OTS map on my Cobb next week to see how it compares to my PTF 93 tune.

Did you ever get a pro tune for your cobb or only run the OTS maps?

[BmwECY]

Originally Posted by JStang

Nice. I'm going to try the open flash OTS map on my Cobb next week to see how it compares to my PTF 93 tune.

Did you ever get a pro tune for your cobb or only run the OTS maps?

no, i sold my first accessport before ATR was released. then, after I picked up another accessport on a trade, after i had the poor performance, i decided to just try Eurocharged and sell my accessport. i know pro-tuning is key to getting better performance. i just didn't want to shell out another $500 on a tune that I spent $725 on, that was performing so poor. Eurocharged (in houston) has some pretty good tuning if you look at the Merc platforms. they dabble in lambo's and ferrari's, but their BMW tuning is a little lesser known, especially on e90post

[BmwECY]

One last point- if sticky's real open source project ever gets off the ground, sharing "maps" should be much easier and we all can benefit from the OF tablet innovations

[ErvGotti]

Originally Posted by JStang

Nice. I'm going to try the open flash OTS map on my Cobb next week to see how it compares to my PTF 93 tune.

Did you ever get a pro tune for your cobb or only run the OTS maps?

What I want to know is what parameters does the "open source" tablet have over ATR? Every time it got brought up in the thread no one answered and the post got deleted which was disappointing to say the least.

I've owned my car since 08 and ran just about every tune under the sun (JB+, JB3/4, Procede Rev1 and 2 and now Cobb). I never believed in piggybacks and if you look on any other platform, they are seen as a joke and the only true tunes are flash or standalone.

What's disappointing is that ATR never took off with this platform. It seems that most of the BMW N54 crowd just wants something plug and play and aren't willing to put in the time to either make a custom tune or spend the time logging to E tune. I can guarantee that majority of the "open source" users will never spend the time creating a tune and will rely heavily on OTS maps or other members custom tunes.

[JStang]

Originally Posted by ErvGotti

What I want to know is what parameters does the "open source" tablet have over ATR? Every time it got brought up in the thread no one answered and the post got deleted which was disappointing to say the least.

I've owned my car since 08 and ran just about every tune under the sun (JB+, JB3/4, Procede Rev1 and 2 and now Cobb). I never believed in piggybacks and if you look on any other platform, they are seen as a joke and the only true tunes are flash or standalone.

What's disappointing is that ATR never took off with this platform. It seems that most of the BMW N54 crowd just wants something plug and play and aren't willing to put in the time to either make a custom tune or spend the time logging to E tune. I can guarantee that majority of the "open source" users will never spend the time creating a tune and will rely heavily on OTS maps or other members custom tunes.

I agree. A lot of people are talking about how great this is going to be when the community can make their own maps. You would have thought that ATR would have advanced the platform if this were true. In the end, there are only a handful of people on e90post who truly know what they are doing when it comes to tuning.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by JStang

Have you read your own posts over the past few days sucking off the open flash tablet? You are as guilty as anyone else who loves their tune.

This.

[OpenFlash]

For advanced users, there is a massive difference between tuning on ATR and the OpenFlash platform. Just because you don't know what it is yet, doesn't mean it isn't true. Give us a little time to make sure all the regular plug-in-and-go users are satisfied. After that things will be geared to more advanced users who aren't afraid of reading hex and modifying the .xfd file. To me, it's funny to hear that Openflash isn't targeted to tuners when in fact, it is. We just spent a lot of time making sure that non-tuners found it easy to use.

[Rotorocious]

[themyst]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

For advanced users, there is a massive difference between tuning on ATR and the OpenFlash platform. Just because you don't know what it is yet, doesn't mean it isn't true. Give us a little time to make sure all the regular plug-in-and-go users are satisfied. After that things will be geared to more advanced users who aren't afraid of reading hex and modifying the .xfd file. To me, it's funny to hear that Openflash isn't targeted to tuners when in fact, it is. We just spent a lot of time making sure that non-tuners found it easy to use.

eta on datalogging? that is whats holding me back.

[boost junkie]

Originally Posted by BmwECY

I feel like this platform, in particular, is very narcissistic and insecure. you won't find this BS on other platforms, including other bmw forums.

Are you new to internet forums.. or human nature for that matter? Browse any active car forum and you'll find plenty of camp wars.

[ZROFCKSGVN]

Originally Posted by 135Pats

I wont argue theres alot of bullshit on E90post...but if you think thats unique to this group...lol.

Check out M3post some time. There are some folks with Herculean egos and imperial hubris.

true.

oh god dont get me started on m3 owners lol

[deathbunny]

Originally Posted by boost junkie

Are you new to internet forums.. or human nature for that matter? Browse any active car forum and you'll find plenty of camp wars.

Its not just cars, pick any product and the same thing applies. When doing your research you have to read between all the fanboy bullshit to get to the truth.