jaffles wrote

For me the whole EV is heavier causes road damage is just BS. You are onto it however and its water, and water alone. I get blamed for wrecking the roads all the time with 20 wheels and 45T twisting and turning. However the road is fine until it rains, then the water very quickly exposes every weakness there is in that roads surface or its preparation. It also explains why roads go pear shape in rain where trucks don't go. The heavy EV is no more than an idea that makes sense to find a tax for new tech. Still they use the roads so should be paying their way.

Phillies8008 wrote

Absolute and total BS. There are many very popular ICE vehicles that weigh as much, if not more, than EVs, yet know one is clutching their purses over them. It's almost like it's a manufactured talking point...

Ford F-150: 4,000-6,000 lbs.
Ford Excursion: 6,650-7,700 lbs.
Chevy Suburban: 5,600-6,000 lbs.
Toyota Highlander: 4,145-4,595 lbs.
BMW X5: 4,828-5,672 lbs.
Etc.

Also: I didn't buy an EV for the gas savings – that's just icing on the cake. I bought it because, IMO, it's a superior car for my use as a daily driver. Electricity costs will obviously rise as time goes on (of course, gas prices will too), but it's going to have to rise a whole hell of a lot to meet or exceed gas. Which it won't.

kilowatt88 wrote

Another often overlooked fact is that "EV" deployment is self-limiting as long as you dont want your electricity rationed.
In other words, the grid can not handle everyone having an EV, even 25%, if that.
Both generation capacity and transmission capability are nowhere near for even 25% EV adoption.
So enjoy your EV, but for your own sake, dont spread the message.

Car-Addicted wrote

Lot of folks calling Bull $hit around here, but I prefer facts over attitude.

4 reasons electric vehicles might need to lose some weight

According to the University of Tennessee’s Center for Transportation Research, EVs often weigh 30% more than gas-powered vehicles.

Electric vehicle weight: What are the downsides?
1. Stopping distances
2. Car insurance costs
3. Lagging highway infrastructure
4. EV tires: How they wear

Car-Addicted wrote

Lot of folks calling Bull $hit around here, but I prefer facts over attitude.

According to the University of Tennessee’s Center for Transportation Research, EVs often weigh 30% more than gas-powered vehicles.

louielouie wrote

I have always wondered what the tolerances of older parking structures are because they weren't designed in an era with cars this heavy.

zubobawud49 wrote

I don’t think it has to be an all-or-nothing switch either. A lot of people are landing somewhere in the middle—plug-in hybrids or just planning their “last ICE” more carefully.

Curious if others feel the same shift, or if this just reinforces sticking with ICE as long as possible.

Phillies8008 wrote

Absolute and total BS. There are many very popular ICE vehicles that weigh as much, if not more, than EVs, yet know one is clutching their purses over them. It's almost like it's a manufactured talking point....

Car-Addicted wrote

4 reasons electric vehicles might need to lose some weight

kilowatt88 wrote

Another often overlooked fact is that "EV" deployment is self-limiting as long as you dont want your electricity rationed.
In other words, the grid can not handle everyone having an EV, even 25%, if that.

louielouie wrote

I have always wondered what the tolerances of older parking structures are because they weren't designed in an era with cars this heavy.

kilowatt88 wrote

I am actually totally fine with people buying EV's as long as there is zero subsidies for them and cost include battery EOL disposal.

Car-Addicted wrote

Lot of folks calling Bull $hit around here, but I prefer facts over attitude.

4 reasons electric vehicles might need to lose some weight

According to the University of Tennessee’s Center for Transportation Research, EVs often weigh 30% more than gas-powered vehicles.

Electric vehicle weight: What are the downsides?
1. Stopping distances
2. Car insurance costs
3. Lagging highway infrastructure
4. EV tires: How they wear

Phillies8008 wrote

So I assume you have the same weight concerns about the just as heavy vehicles I posted before. Right?

Car-Addicted wrote

Nice strawman Like for Like

pbonsalb wrote

The comparable size and capacity EV probably weighs 25% more on average. Chevy Blazer EV versus Chevy Suburban as a big car example, but anyone can look up a bunch more examples if they want to research this further.

There are probably some exceptions. Stripper Tesla Model 3 might only be 10-15% heavier than a small to mid size 5 passenger car. And of course people can argue over what is comparable.

Experts said EVs’ additional weight has little impact on infrastructure...

afadeev wrote

Rational people feel and act that way.
But there is an increasing shortage of those around these days.

When your news cycle is owned by social-media algo driven conspiracy theories, acting rationally frequently takes second row to "joining the crowd". And then repeating whatever arguments that crowd is embracing on any given Wednesday.

Having said that, I've jumped on EV bandwagon ~12 years ago out of curiosity, and for cost-savings reasons. My first EV cost me LESS in monthly lease payments ($189) vs. 4 tanks of gas I would normally buy for my daily commuter. In other words, it was free to drive!

And then Tesla made EVs more fun to drive then most ICE vehicles, so there is that going for EVs now!



Very true.
Exactly no-one was freaking about the weight of SUVs when those got super-popular in mid-90s.
Yet the same folks are pretending extra weight with EVs is a deal-breaker.

Common, man!



Sorry, but that is an example of 4 straw-man arguments.
No EV needs to loose weight if one is not objecting to the extra weight of SUVs and full-sized trucks on the road (driven by IRS deductions weight thresholds in Section 179).



Another straw-man argument.
Anyone complaining about investments into AI datacenters due to "electricity will be rationed"?

Common, man!



Yep, we've never had 6,000+lbs SUVs and trucks on the roads until EVs came along.

Common, man!



I would be too, if we didn't fight all these oil wars to power ICE vehicles. To the tunes of Trillions of $$$.
Over, and over, and over again.

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P.S.: Let's not forget the other anti-EV arguments:
- EV technology is not "there" yet.
- No-one can afford to install an EV charger in thier garage / home / parking lot.
- EVs sponteneously catch on fire, while ICE cars never do.
- China / Iran / North Korea wants you to buy EVs, and you have to hate that.
- EVs will cause your d*ck to fall off.

W2k wrote

The infrastructure for gasoline and diesel distribution also didn't sprout overnight. In Sweden now we're having the usual suspects spread news about how charging stations are "sitting unused" while "costing their owners money". Because the infrastructure was built out faster than actual EV adoption, those of us with EVs have it good right now, there's more than enough chargers to go round. Of course things will balance out in the end.

For those of you in places where the infra is lagging adoption, you have the opposite problem, but it'll work itself out.

afadeev wrote

Another straw-man argument.
Anyone complaining about investments into AI datacenters due to "electricity will be rationed"?

Common, man!