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2 days ago
I was recently shopping to upgrade my X3 to X5 and was surprised how few 40i's on the local lots (well over 200 between all dealers) had the Driving Asst. pkg. I have it on my X3 (though highway asst. only to 40mph) and it's been so invaluable in stop and go traffic I could never buy another car without it.

Any guess why dealer's don't option this much? Just about every other option is available on the lot. The only one rarer than Driving Asst. is leather seats. I get that if you mostly drive off highway it's pointless, but that doesn't account for all drivers.

I ended up ordering, and thankfully, there was an available slot given the G05 is weeks away from EOP.
2 days ago
I think its probably a mix of people not using it much(I love it) along with many just wanting the badge. When I was shopping for my X5 M60i the amount of x5's out there with the absolute lowest possible spec was insane.

It took forever to find a fully decked out X5 but even then I had to sacrifice bowers since I think I only ever found maybe 1 with it along with having everything else I wanted. Color, air suspension, merino leather etc.
2 days ago
I did a lot of searching the past couple months. I was surprised how many did have leather. Maybe 1 in 3 had dapp. I was surprised how many had cognac interior and the m sport package.
2 days ago
I won’t buy anything without it. To not have it (Adaptive Cruise Control) at any price point vehicle today seems very lacking and might as well have roll up windows too…. BMW, like all luxury brands make it a upcharge option when every mid brand gives it to you for free since 2015.
2 days ago
I am surprised that insurance companies are not providing more favorable rates, aka discounts, for vehicles that have this option. Back in the day, when ABS Brakes, Airbags, etc. were not standard equipment, the insurance companies provided discounts. Same should be applied here since it can really help mitigate an accident.

IMHO, to purchase a vehicle without DAP and not use it as designed, is a total oversight.

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2 days ago
I noticed the same when test driving X5s a few mo the ago (I ended up ordering my car and included DAPP in my build).

My assumption is, as others have stated it’s an upcharge and typically not something potential prospects visiting a dealer to test drive a car are privy to. It’s not something tangible they can see included in a dealer model that will help sell that car (with a 10 minute test drive). Dealers include asthetic specifications that will only help sell a car - Wheels, Trim, exterior colors, etc…

Again, only my assumption, and one of the reasons I ended up ordering my car - to specify all that I wanted.
2 days ago
My search was a little more balanced a few weeks back, and there were several stocked cars with DAP available. But certainly not the majority.

I think it adds up cost pretty fast as you select Premium, DAP, and then PA packages. So dealers select only the most popular options for the majority of them. Then a few have random extras here and there.

DAP was must have for me as well.
2 days ago
It’s often not found on dealer stock but it’s very popular on customer ordered vehicles. Dealers like to maintain a price point in the mid to high $70’s for their lot vehicles.
2 days ago
I deliberately avoided the DAP package when speccing my M60i. It wasn’t a cost saving issue, but simply the fact that I really dislike the trend towards driver interventions. I want to be in control of the car, not a computer. As an example, having had both, I actually prefer standard cruise control to adaptive versions. I’m buying new rather than used, but if I was buying a pre-owned X5 I’d be looking for one without the DAP pack!
2 days ago
UK X5 Owner wrote
I deliberately avoided the DAP package when speccing my M60i. It wasn’t a cost saving issue, but simply the fact that I really dislike the trend towards driver interventions. I want to be in control of the car, not a computer. As an example, having had both, I actually prefer standard cruise control to adaptive versions. I’m buying new rather than used, but if I was buying a pre-owned X5 I’d be looking for one without the DAP pack!
I share your perspectives and preference here. Computer intrusions while driving can be both dangerous and infuriating.
There are legions of horrible drivers on the road as we all know and those folks may benefit from these electronic nannies but they are not for many of us.
2 days ago
BMW owners enjoy driving
2 days ago
I have it. I don’t use it often because time after time, it doesn’t meet my expectations for safety. But I also agree, active crisis part should be standard.
2 days ago
It's not really for self-driving. Works best when you just want a break and to relax for a few minutes to reset muscles or to grab a drink/snack, on an open stretch of highway; or when there's a traffic jam and you don't want to press the pedals over and over again.

It takes pressure off the repetitive monotonous motions often encountered when driving on the highway. A Tesla, it is not.
2 days ago
Hound Passer wrote
I was recently shopping to upgrade my X3 to X5 and was surprised how few 40i's on the local lots (well over 200 between all dealers) had the Driving Asst. pkg. I have it on my X3 (though highway asst. only to 40mph) and it's been so invaluable in stop and go traffic I could never buy another car without it.

Any guess why dealer's don't option this much? Just about every other option is available on the lot. The only one rarer than Driving Asst. is leather seats. I get that if you mostly drive off highway it's pointless, but that doesn't account for all drivers.

I ended up ordering, and thankfully, there was an available slot given the G05 is weeks away from EOP.
Have you been searching 2024 models mostly? Majority of them are former rental cars, and they are all optioned the same.
2 days ago
MY24 M60i
Personally, I just like driving the vehicle myself. I find it more enjoying having that amount of control. I prefer regular cruise control. I have a MY26 Tesla Model 3 with Full Self Driving (FSD) supervised. It is really good. But I dropped it because, even the latest FSD is still not the way I drive. I want to drive the car myself, avoid pot holes when I need to, brake when I know it is time to brake, and downshift/upshift at will in any drive mode. Unfortunately though, the trend seems to be going full self driving!
2 days ago
I have never ordered this package, nor do I plan too. I can’t stand it when a rental car has this feature and slows down. Keep the speed up and if the car infront of me doesn’t move out of the way, then I’ll over take it.
2 days ago
An enormous majority of studies show a direct correlation between the implementation of ADAS features and a reduction in traffic deaths; the idea that this technology is bad because “I’ll do the driving myself” is borderline laughable.

On top of that, we’re talking about mainstream SUV/Mom cars here—I understand the feeling of rowing my own gears in my 911 or M3 but my X5 is simply a cushy/heavy SUV that has worked out as a great work vehicle to dump a lot of highway miles on.
2 days ago
tooloud10 wrote
An enormous majority of studies show a direct correlation between the implementation of ADAS features and a reduction in traffic deaths; the idea that this technology is bad because “I’ll do the driving myself” is borderline laughable.

On top of that, we’re talking about mainstream SUV/Mom cars here—I understand the feeling of rowing my own gears in my 911 or M3 but my X5 is simply a cushy/heavy SUV that has worked out as a great work vehicle to dump a lot of highway miles on.
Didn’t read all the responses, but I don’t believe folks think this tech is bad. It is actually good tech, but it isn’t there yet for my style of driving, SUV or sedan. It is still in development phase. The few older folks I have tried to introduce to Tesla’s FSD get turned off quickly after their first scary scenario - and there are some. I haven’t tried BMW’s ADAS, but I doubt it is better than Tesla’s FSD. It is inevitable that FSD is the future - we will just have to deal with it.

Regarding your “I’ll drive myself” comment, I disagree that it’s laughable, borderline or not. US drivers are poorly trained. I haven’t researched this yet, but my guess is that if you compare those stats by country, the US will not fare well compared with Europeans. There are a lot of people (probably the majority) who have been driving for years with no accident. I have had 3 in my 60+ years of driving, one was my fault (low speed crawl into bumper infront of me), and in general, I don’t cruise slow.
2 days ago
I’m embarrassed to admit I just didn’t do my due diligence before moving into my X5. Had it on my X3 so I just assumed it was on as std equip on the X5. It comes standard in our 26 Lexus RX. Disappointed my X5 doesn’t have it but since it only has 500 mi on it I will learn from my mistake.
2 days ago
It’s an option so those that see the value in it can purchase it and those that don’t, won’t.
We all use our vehicles differently and those that are commuting to work or take cross country trips will have a different value equation than a retiree that has no commute and the longest trip is to see the grandkids 2 hours away. That same retiree may be more tech-adverse than younger generations as well.
Yesterday
3 types of people:

- buying a badge and clueless about what the feature is

- Assume that adaptive cruise is standard, because it is standard on pretty much everything else (base Toyota Corolla!)

- "I wAnT tO dRiVe, NoT tHe CoMpUtEr" people, even though this is basically a Mom SUV, and there's nothing fun about driving in stop and go traffic
Yesterday
Lebbros wrote
BMW owners enjoy driving
What? Of course we enjoy driving a sporty luxury car. But the discussion is about DAPP, and nobody enjoys sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

I really don’t understand all the bashing of driver assistance features—they’re actually great to have. On a long trip, I got stuck in a 3-hour delay through the Grapevine, and DAPP made the stop-and-go traffic far less stressful until everything finally cleared up.

Even where I live, traffic keeps getting worse, so there are definitely times when DAPP is nice to use. It doesn’t take away from enjoying the car—it just makes dealing with terrible traffic easier.