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ezaircon4jc wroteThis seems very strange compared to the mantra of aiming for center mass. Regardless, I appreciate the heads up - I'll do a bit of practice prior to my renewal. I can't remember - you're allowed one miss in 12 shots?Had the "training" today. There's a new requirement for the shooting portion. In addition to staying in the lines, you gotta have one head shot and 2 pelvic shots. For us, the target was shaped like giant milk bottle.
Reborn_ wroteTwo out of 15. If you're close enough, John Russo at North County Shooting Center is quite good. The video of the DEA agent shooting himself in the leg never gets old! You use the same target for practice as qualifying, so it's full of holes! John, as far as I can tell, isn't concerned about how many practice rounds you fire, even though there's supposed to be a limit. I had 4 pistols so brought about 200 practice rounds. The hardest is the non-dominate, one handed shot, but it's not too bad from about 15'. I, to my detriment, haven't been shooting since my last renewal two years ago and had no problem qualifying even though I was quite nervous. John also tells you what's on the test, and gives you paper for taking notes, so that part is pretty easy. On the four rules, "they" want you to write them verbatim from the lesson. All-in-all, it wasn't too bad trying to stretch 4 hours of stuff into 8 hours.This seems very strange compared to the mantra of aiming for center mass. Regardless, I appreciate the heads up - I'll do a bit of practice prior to my renewal. I can't remember - you're allowed one miss in 12 shots?
http://www.northcountyshootingcenter.com/john-instructor-bio
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The Guvna wroteNo hate and I get where you are coming from but you understand the problem with that. They just make the test impossible for the average person to pass and voila gun control. And I'm all for an IQ test before voting but that won't happen either so....You guys may hate me for saying this.. but i am all for training before allowing somebody to purchase and own a firearm. I know I'm a commie, but this world is producing dummer people who are more emotional and less logical than ever.
Sorry!
jamesinaz wroteI would have it cover safety/storage more than anything else, no stupid non-dominant hand drills, that was hard when I was good at shooting!No hate and I get where you are coming from but you understand the problem with that. They just make the test impossible for the average person to pass and voila gun control. And I'm all for an IQ test before voting but that won't happen either so....
100% agree on the IQ test also
The Guvna wroteThere’s no way to enforce proper safety and storage unless you want me and my peeps to be able to run up in your house any time we want. Trust me, you don’t want that! Non-dominant hand drills have their place in training, especially in my profession. Also, if we start using arbitrary IQ tests, welcome to communism.I would have it cover safety/storage more than anything else, no stupid non-dominant hand drills, that was hard when I was good at shooting!
100% agree on the IQ test also
Sedan_Clan wroteI mean....US and Canada already gave that the ol' college try back in the early 1900's and didn't become communists. Though back then, a low IQ test won you a forced snippety snip in some cases...wee bit worse than not being able to vote I think.Also, if we start using arbitrary IQ tests, welcome to communism.
I see both sides. US is unique in that firearms are enshrined as a right, and any slight infringement could lead to a cascading effect. On the flip side, people are stupid, they are getting stupider, and I like the idea of them having to meet a stringent level of safety and care, coupled with knowledge of what they can and cannot do, before they carry concealed or open in society. The stupid people can still have guns for defense in their homes, or to take them to the range, or to hunt, but they just can't carry them in society until they pass those tests.
I know, you disagree with the second half, I get it. I'm not trying to persuade anyone, there will be no one that is a rah rah 2A person that says "Yeah, that sort of makes sense, I like that", I'm just explaining my rationale which is of little value to anyone, especially since I can't vote in your fine country. Unless I become a Democrat maybe...then could probably vote.
ezaircon4jc wroteThanks. This all sounds more complex than what I had to do last time, which was my first time, not a renewal. One-handed shot? Definitely not a thing I had to do.Two out of 15. If you're close enough, John Russo at North County Shooting Center is quite good. The video of the DEA agent shooting himself in the leg never gets old! You use the same target for practice as qualifying, so it's full of holes! John, as far as I can tell, isn't concerned about how many practice rounds you fire, even though there's supposed to be a limit. I had 4 pistols so brought about 200 practice rounds. The hardest is the non-dominate, one handed shot, but it's not too bad from about 15'. I, to my detriment, haven't been shooting since my last renewal two years ago and had no problem qualifying even though I was quite nervous. John also tells you what's on the test, and gives you paper for taking notes, so that part is pretty easy. On the four rules, "they" want you to write them verbatim from the lesson. All-in-all, it wasn't too bad trying to stretch 4 hours of stuff into 8 hours.
http://www.northcountyshootingcenter.com/john-instructor-bio
I am close enough, I'm in south OC. But I was happy with my experience at Artemis Defense Institute and am planning to do their 'course' for the renewal. I've only got 2 pistols on mine, and will seek to remove one during my renewal, as long as it doesn't add any complication.
Sedan_Clan wroteWe aren't talking about professions. We are talking about civilians with no training purchasing and owning a gun. All of my guns are within an arms reach, nobody is running up in my house mateThere’s no way to enforce proper safety and storage unless you want me and my peeps to be able to run up in your house any time we want. Trust me, you don’t want that! Non-dominant hand drills have their place in training, especially in my profession. Also, if we start using arbitrary IQ tests, welcome to communism.
Point is most of the "stupid" deaths are from a kid grabbing it from a purse, or an idiot shooting themselves messing around or not clearing it before cleaning it etc. Basic training will not eliminate that but will help to identify and teach good practices.
The Guvna wroteTraining is irrelevant. We can’t mandate training, nor do we have the resources and manpower to implement utopian views that are not properly flushed out. There are more gun laws and regulations on the books to make a person’s head spin. Another government infringement isn’t going to change anything just like another vehicle code added to the books isn’t going to change behavior on the road.We aren't talking about professions. We are talking about civilians with no training purchasing and owning a gun. All of my guns are within an arms reach, nobody is running up in my house mate
Point is most of the "stupid" deaths are from a kid grabbing it from a purse, or an idiot shooting themselves messing around or not clearing it before cleaning it etc. Basic training will not eliminate that but will help to identify and teach good practices.
No, most gun deaths are PURPOSEFULLY PERFORMED SUICIDES, most often by legal gun owners.
Lastly, if federal law backed by legal precedent allowed law enforcement to enter your home to check for safe storage, restrictions regarding a homeowner’s response would be articulated as well.
tcphoto wroteNo background check at this level should take 30 days. Checks are done against the CJIS database. If those records are not accurate, then there are bigger issues. As to no one needing to walk out with a gun the day of purchase, there are instances of women that were trying to purchase a firearm for self protection which didn't have it when the guy she has a protective order against or has been subjected to DV ended up hurt or dead.Imagine if you had to pass an IQ test with a certain score to have children, drive or own firearms, the human race would be in peril. Myself, I keep my pistols locked up with one accessible in case it's needed. A family died from a gunshot so I understand the importance of firearm security. I also believe that a reliable background check is necessary and it could take up to thirty days to get an actual check, no one has to walk out the door with one when purchasing.
The "problem" with a free society is inherent risk. IMHO, the problem isn't the "wrong" person having a firearm, it's the total lack of civility in today's society. There's a pretty good book about the 2nd Amendment (which aren't amendments at all, they're just acknowledgements of inherent rights) I read years ago (I think this is the book).
I do think ALL elected officials should be required to pass a constitutional test with a 90% or better. We have a dude running for governor who is falsely accusing Trump of violating the constitution, yet he has backed and enforced laws that are in direct violation of the 2A.
ezaircon4jc wroteI am praying for California this election cycle.Something about "shall NOT be infringed" comes to mind...
The "problem" with a free society is inherent risk. IMHO, the problem isn't the "wrong" person having a firearm, it's the total lack of civility in today's society. There's a pretty good book about the 2nd Amendment (which aren't amendments at all, they're just acknowledgements of inherent rights) I read years ago (I think this is the book).
I do think ALL elected officials should be required to pass a constitutional test with a 90% or better. We have a dude running for governor who is falsely accusing Trump of violating the constitution, yet he has backed and enforced laws that are in direct violation of the 2A.
Sedan_Clan wroteI specified "stupid" deaths on purpose. Well aware of the statistics. You keep talking about safe storage as a "law", I never said anything about "law" just some mando training on safety and storage for those who may even buy a weapon for the best reasons and use but have no idea about safety.Training is irrelevant. We can’t mandate training, nor do we have the resources and manpower to implement utopian views that are not properly flushed out. There are more gun laws and regulations on the books to make a person’s head spin. Another government infringement isn’t going to change anything just like another vehicle code added to the books isn’t going to change behavior on the road.
No, most gun deaths are PURPOSEFULLY PERFORMED SUICIDES, most often by legal gun owners.
Lastly, if federal law backed by legal precedent allowed law enforcement to enter your home to check for safe storage, restrictions regarding a homeowner’s response would be articulated as well.
Also training is not irrelevant. Worked great for my family (to include small children who are now adults) and plenty I know who had never even touched a weapon before. But its ok to have differing opinions as long as you are not changing what i wrote to make a point that makes no sense in the context I made it.
Killed by Death wroteInteresting statement considering the current administration's view on "rights", the constitution, and the rulings by the SCOTUS over the past 4+ yearsIf the court ever swings left our rights are gone.
XutvJet wroteI don’t get it. The current conservative administration and court hasn’t done enough to lock down our rights. Some states and cities are down right ignoring their rulings. I think a liberal leaning court would go full attack mode.Interesting statement considering the current administration's view on "rights", the constitution, and the rulings by the SCOTUS over the past 4+ years
