[mfarrzhp]

Didn't want to install a charging system
I live in FL, so I have no need for AWD
Long term maintenance concerns
Most "e" spec BMWs seem to have poor resale, at least the 3 and 5 series do. I never really researched or considered the X5 45e
I found the right spec sDrive40i M Sport with 22" black wheels.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by bandersen

Concur. I live in downtown Philadelphia...row houses (million +) - and (hold your breath) - STREET PARKING. Unfortunately, these ultra 'progressive' cities - while they love bashing Exxon - can't figure out how to put in an electric grid for vehicles. Of course, they can't figure out schools...crime...wage taxes...etc etc. But they can host a helluva protest at a Starbucks to complain about something....

Amazing isn't it. These Liberally minded big cities have morphed into dangerous dumps at the hands of those who have little interest in protecting their citizens and businesses but bark about EVs when they provide virtually no accommodations for them.

[Russ103]

Originally Posted by akin67

piOnce the battery is drained I did not want to lug around an extra 500 lbs of weight

I'm 100% with you on that. Actually, I wouldn't want 500lbs of dead weight even if the battery is charged.

[DwainA]

Originally Posted by shadab.ashraf56

My biggest concern is I cannot charge it when I am not at home. I do long road trips and this car will come out of garage for at least 150 miles. I cannot charge it at a hotel basically once i leave home even for weekend getaway 30 mile range will be useless for me ending up with dead weight until i am back home. My problem is not with range thats good enough for grocery haul but it is with unavailability of fast charging which render it useless outside my garage.

I don't buy the talks of regeneration, if it is going to take more than 24 hours on l1 charger how much it can get charged by regeneration. I believe it is good for those people who have a daily drive of under 30 miles. Any longer trip on which I am not returning back home It is useless dead weight for me.
I am looking forward to I4 lets see what bmw has come up with to counter Tesla.

I got my 45e mid January 2021 and have 13,000 miles on it already. Did a 4,000+ mile Texas to California trip, 2 Texas mini trips and I'm now 1,800+ miles into a Texas to NC trip. I've used hotels with chargers and 110v outdoor outlets at AirBnBs. I've done some trips with no charging. I'm blowing the socks off a 40i for mileage and performance. INSTANT torque is a wonderful thing.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by DwainA

I got my 45e mid January 2021 and have 13,000 miles on it already. Did a 4,000+ mile Texas to California trip, 2 Texas mini trips and I'm now 1,800+ miles into a Texas to NC trip. I've used hotels with chargers and 110v outdoor outlets at AirBnBs. I've done some trips with no charging. I'm blowing the socks off a 40i for mileage and performance. INSTANT torque is a wonderful thing.

If you were interested in an X5 with great torque you should have gone with an M50i or X5M and not have to shackled by where you stop, stay, or whatever based on charging cord availability. What a PIA.

[DwainA]

Originally Posted by speedyman

If you were interested in an X5 with great torque you should have gone with an M50i or X5M and not have to shackled by where you stop, stay, or whatever based on charging cord availability. What a PIA.

I said instant, not great. To each his own.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by speedyman

If you were interested in an X5 with great torque you should have gone with an M50i or X5M and not have to shackled by where you stop, stay, or whatever based on charging cord availability. What a PIA.

easy, dude. why is it you are such an @ss to things you don't agree with others on? this isn't a power struggle or "mine is bigger/better than yours" contest. be objective and let the others make their own decisions.

do we need to talk about techy stuff to put u in your place? :P

[evodz]

I love the 45e after 3 months or so of ownership. If the LCI is presented with some options I wanted but not available for 2021, I'm about 90% sure I will trade in for it

[viperdoc]

Originally Posted by Russ103

I'm 100% with you on that. Actually, I wouldn't want 500lbs of dead weight even if the battery is charged.

I've had mine for 2 months now. I can tell you the performance is, miraculously, still better with a drained battery than in the 40i. It may be because the car never lets is get all the way to zero. But no matter how long I have been driving with zero electric range showing, when I push into sport mode, AMAZING acceleration, anytime. And even while driving only with the ICE, the car moves better than the 40i ever did. At least I think so. Averaging 120mpg during my typical 55 mile commute is just a bonus

Whether the 45e is faster in a head to head race with a 40i, not sure, and frankly I don't care. I had been concerned about losing performance with a low battery too, but I can assure you that's not the case.

Another interesting note is that while on the highway I get MUCH better gas mileage with the ICE than I ever did with the 40i. There must have been a mistake when the EPA tested this engine. On my long trips every week (160 miles round trip) I am getting 32mph going 75mph on the highway every time (totally on ICE). Didn't come close to that in my 40i. And yes, my e range stays put that entire time

[wjbender]

Anyone know what the battery warranty is on the 45e?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by wjbender

Anyone know what the battery warranty is on the 45e?

US 8 years
EU 6 years

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

easy, dude. why is it you are such an @ss to things you don't agree with others on? this isn't a power struggle or "mine is bigger/better than yours" contest. be objective and let the others make their own decisions.

do we need to talk about techy stuff to put u in your place? :P

You have issues with the difficulties associated with EVs and their need for constant recharging and the inherent limitations? Sure sounds like it. It would appear that it is you who has the problem with opinions and frames of reference that differ from your own.
Feel free to "put me in my place" when you see fit which will likely be when I post something that you don't agree with. Myabe you should lose the control my friend.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

US 8 years
EU 6 years

Probably a stupid question from a technological neophyte but why the difference? I'll bet I am not the only one here who would wonder why.

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Probably a stupid question from a technological neophyte but why the difference? I'll bet I am not the only one here who would wonder why.

I can't be positive, but in the USA, using the same battery pack, the non-US version isn't 'allowed' to use more of the battery pack...this means it can't be discharged further in normal operations than the same pack sold elsewhere. If actually used all the way down to a lower arbitrary lower limit, it would increase the 'wear' on the battery pack. Limiting the range of the battery's charge, in theory, should make it last a bit longer.

OTOH, if you regularly do use the full amount because you have less of it available, you'll have more cycles on the recharging, which can shorten its life some...the average commute in the USA indicates that the majority of people won't discharge fully, and recharge when they get home.

One 'cycle' is from 0-100%, and ten charges from 90-100% puts about the same wear on the battery as one from 0-100%. IOW, it's a numbers game and marketing thing. If you lease, you probably don't care. If you buy, you might if you plan to keep it a long time. Luckily, the actual battery degradation doesn't seem to be a major issue for most people, but the X5 45e isn't old enough yet to have a really good idea, but previous BMW EVs seem to indicate replacing batteries isn't that big of an issue.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by speedyman

You have issues with the difficulties associated with EVs and their need for constant recharging and the inherent limitations? Sure sounds like it. It would appear that it is you who has the problem with opinions and frames of reference that differ from your own.
Feel free to "put me in my place" when you see fit which will likely be when I post something that you don't agree with. Myabe you should lose the control my friend.

I have no issues. owning and operating my 45e has been a joy… nothing difficult or limiting at all. (it's got 2 motors, not 1!) in fact, during the recent Colonial Pipeline gasoline shortage, I was merry on my way driving past the long lines and avoided incessant trips to numerous empty gas stations. I had a 'full tank' every morning and didn't use one drop of fuel during the shortage.

I'll only disagree with anyone if the facts are incorrect. folks' opinions are open for discussion to warrant whether or not they have merit, not with which to agree or disagree.

Originally Posted by speedyman

Probably a stupid question from a technological neophyte but why the difference? I'll bet I am not the only one here who would wonder why.

not a stupid question at all. just passing along what I've read from other threads and interwebs, but the 'why' appears to be speculative consensus. BMW gives us a longer 8 years to justify the higher longevity of the lower 17.1kWh usable capacity which equates to less battery "wear" compared to the EU's higher capacity which equates to more "wear", so their warranty is shorter.

[wjbender]

It's really simple - deeper discharge results in fewer battery cycles. So if the US battery is only allowed to (for example) 30% remaining charge vs 20% remaining charge it will last a greater number of charge cycles. This is true of all battery types.

[SP45e]

Originally Posted by jad03060

I can't be positive, but in the USA, using the same battery pack, the non-US version isn't 'allowed' to use more of the battery pack...this means it can't be discharged further in normal operations than the same pack sold elsewhere. If actually used all the way down to a lower arbitrary lower limit, it would increase the 'wear' on the battery pack. Limiting the range of the battery's charge, in theory, should make it last a bit longer.

OTOH, if you regularly do use the full amount because you have less of it available, you'll have more cycles on the recharging, which can shorten its life some...the average commute in the USA indicates that the majority of people won't discharge fully, and recharge when they get home.

One 'cycle' is from 0-100%, and ten charges from 90-100% puts about the same wear on the battery as one from 0-100%. IOW, it's a numbers game and marketing thing. If you lease, you probably don't care. If you buy, you might if you plan to keep it a long time. Luckily, the actual battery degradation doesn't seem to be a major issue for most people, but the X5 45e isn't old enough yet to have a really good idea, but previous BMW EVs seem to indicate replacing batteries isn't that big of an issue.

Sorry to be that guy but now that we have an idea why the warranty years are different between US and other markets....anyone have any idea why is that?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by SP45e

Sorry to be that guy but now that we have an idea why the warranty years are different between US and other markets....anyone have any idea why is that?

a few of us have already chimed in above. what details are confusing you?

in a nutshell:
• in the U.S., less usable capacity (17.1kWh) equals less charging 'wear' on the battery equals increased longevity, therefore 8-year warranty.
• in the EU, higher usable capacity (21.6kWh) equals more charging 'wear' on the battery equals decreased longevity, therefore 6-year warranty.

[SP45e]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

a few of us have already chimed in above. what details are confusing you?

in a nutshell:
• in the U.S., less usable capacity (17.1kWh) equals less charging 'wear' on the battery equals increased longevity, therefore 8-year warranty.
• in the EU, higher usable capacity (21.6kWh) equals more charging 'wear' on the battery equals decreased longevity, therefore 6-year warranty.

Thank you! My question is actually a step before this, why did BMW decide the US gets 17.1kWh usable vs 21.6kWh usable?

As a long-time lurker on this board, I always appreciate your insights nZtiZia!

[X5 45e]

Originally Posted by SP45e

Thank you! My question is actually a step before this, why did BMW decide the US gets 17.1kWh usable vs 21.6kWh usable?

As a long-time lurker on this board, I always appreciate your insights nZtiZia!

Because of the limitation they only have to give 8 years warranty on 17 kwh and not on 21 kwh.

The battery looses capacity in time and probably they are afraid that after 8 years the battery won't be able deliver 21 kwh anymore.

[wjbender]

I think more to the point is why not give all countries the same warranty (6 yr) and more capacity? I would prefer that, and manage my battery accordingly, but still be able to get further on electric if I needed it.

[X5 45e]

Originally Posted by wjbender

I think more to the point is why not give all countries the same warranty (6 yr) and more capacity? I would prefer that, and manage my battery accordingly, but still be able to get further on electric if I needed it.

Your government thinks differently.