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Having plugin hybrid options also helps solve the fuel type transition problem. There are no refueling stations for insert-fuel-type because there are no vehicles that use insert-fuel-type. There are no insert-fuel-type vehicles because there are no refueling stations for insert-fuel-type. Since the 40e and 45e can charge OR consume gas, this is a non-issue and paves the way for more demand of charge stations. |
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Building a 400-mile range electric car is a dumb idea right now because: 1) Heavy as hell 2) Expensive as hell 3) Charging will take even longer 4) Still can't do road trips
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It's just astounding that in this day and age BMW is producing a 15m range car which will be updated to 50m range and people are going Gaga.
Reminds me of when Elon musk said the Germans are not even trying.
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5) Premature for BMW because companies need incredible ramp up to be able to produce the batteries required for a mass-marketed product. (demonstrated by Tesla's struggles with the model 3 rollout) Tripling of the 40e's battery range is a sign that BMW is indeed ramping up its ability and consumers can expect that trend to continue. |
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Giving no consideration to what's technically or practically feasible, why stop there? Why not criticize Tesla for failing to give us 1000 mile range vehicles? |
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Steering back to the topic of the actual vehicle itself...
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/20...-ar182437.html |
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Tesla doing it. I mean I get the argument that tesla needs batteries that are hard to make and pollute environment in making, thus is it really green.. .i get that. But to say the concept of what tesla did in an automobile is a failure is just stupid, man, im sorry. LIke not you are stupid, but its a stupid thing to say. I dunno you, some people take it personally, but I dont mean that. I mean its a denial, a wrong way to look a this, dismissing Tesla as a fad is crazy. 10 years producing cars... some fad.
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I love how people here keep saying x y z is dumb or stupid or too hard and like Tesla has been doing it for years and made a company that is worth much as bmw in 10 years from nothing.
Its textbook denial. I'm sorry but these hybrids from bmw Porsche Benz are unimpressive and weak. No I am not talking about the super cars like 918 but the x5 and cayenne panemara hybrids. Make a car with real performance and real utility else ur just falling further behind. I think the Germans know this but they are just resisting retooling their massive factories. Benz has an interesting approach where they put the electric drivetrain where a normal engine goes on the eqc all electric to minimize factory retooling and I wouldn't be surprised to see the others follow suit.
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A 50 mile range is OK because on average people drive 30 mile is why 50 mile range is normal is a laughable defense. I applaud BMW for taking money on stupid people who buy this and pretend they are buying a clean car. If you buy a 45e for a wife who drives 10 miles per day then ... well... Your wife doesnt need a car for 100k to drive 10 miles a day, how basic is that. The real thing your wife is riding is actually you, not the car. Congrats of course. Still doesnt change the fact that 50 mile range is stupid. Perhaps BMW should just have all their cars by default have a 50 mile electric range - so that all customers have this option if they drive little, to use electric. I can see that moving a needle. But giving this option to only those with 100k is also a bit funny marketing. Not really sure what it achieves.
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And actually, I do want Tesla to do well. I've driven many miles in a Model S. I like that car, they are a blast. If the Model S didn't fall short in the luxury department I would probably buy one. You said you've "owned a bunch of BMW's cars", well If you've ever driven a Tesla for a decent amount of time, you would know it has its share of shortcomings. It lacks many features that are standard or can be optioned in a typical luxury vehicle. Interior refinement is not at the same level. Road and wind isolation is also less than that of even an E60. If having a "clean car" was the only priority, we'd be driving Hyundai Ioniq Electrics, currently ranked as the greenest car: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorz.../#5052cd7225a9 And its range? not 300, not 200. Try 124. After that? You better be close to a plug, because unless you get the Hybrid (like the 40e or 45e) version, you're out of gas. |
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Currently, the ONLY PHEV SUV on the market that has a 3rd row is the Volvo XC90 T8.
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I seriously question whether many commenters here even driven any PHEV. There's preconceived notions that this car must somehow beat a pure BEV (Tesla). It doesn't, it's not even remotely close to trying to compete with a BEV. PHEVs are a fantastic compromise for a pure BEV, a ICE car, and even a Prius-type hybrid. Some of you guys are missing the point of this car.
The point of this car is to maximize efficiency across a full range of driving environments and to be road legal in time for the new European laws banning ICE cars in urban areas while taking advantage of cheaper charging rates at home and at destinations (usually free at places of employment, hotels and stores). It's not designed to compete against a Tesla. It's designed as a jack of all trades. You CAN drive this car in EV mode in the city. You CAN get a California HOV sticker. You CAN drive this car on any road to any destination on the planet. You CAN tow things. You CAN power this car on the cheap from the grid (assuming certain local charging rates at home and whether you use solar, etc.). I've talked to PHEV Cayenne owners on their gasoline usage. It was literally cut down to a 1/3 of a gasoline Cayenne. Some have calculated at the their local charging rates, it's equivalent to operating a 30-35 mpg (combined) car. Even with the 50-mile all electric range, the ICE WILL TURN ON during the drive. It's inconceivable in a real world commute you would only push the accelerator pedal down to the electric motor max and not trigger the ICE. By merging on the highway, you would turn on the ICE because you'll likely need to go from 20 to 60 in about 5 seconds. Further, the greatest fuel consumption occurs when you accelerate in stop and go traffic. The battery for PHEVs is primarily useful in these driving environments. That is when the ICE will not turn on. The ICE also will not turn on when you're cruising at constant speeds on flat roads. That's where you'll also get massive fuel savings, and on top of it, regenerative braking AND coasting (Porsche calls it "sailing") will start charging the battery as well. Lastly, what is not written is the technical aspects of the interaction between ICE and battery. Traditionally most PHEV don't allow the battery to fully deplete. They typical reserve charge to about 10% to 15% of the battery capacity for the stop/go environment I mentioned. I'm guessing this 45e is no different.
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I have a Panamera eHybrid (current model) that does "30 miles" electric (really depends on speed, gradient and temperature). I drive this to the train station everyday (sub 10 miles return journey) so drive petrol free all week (free electricity at the train station). At the weekend, fire up the Sports mode and you have a car that will beat 99% off the lights to 30, and 85% to 60. It's the best of a lot of worlds.
The issue with the X5 is that a) it does not come with 7 seats/smaller boot space (I have confirmed this with BMW) and b) it adds considerable weight to a high center of gravity. That said, if you have one car that needs to do a weekly commute and be useful at the weekend to cart kids but don't need all the space then surely a no brainer? Otherwise, buy 1 electric car for the commute and 1 uncompromised x5 for the weekend (handles better, more eco out of town, more boot space etc.). Very much looking forward to the 40i in January! |
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Does anyone have any further update on timing on the 45e? Is Carscoops information accurate that it may be almost two years before this model hits the US market? If so it would seem like an inordinately long time from BMW's press release on the car.
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