[mlurker]

Originally Posted by Auricom

All US model X5s xLine and M Sports come standard with electronic damper controlled suspensions - sDrive40i, xDrive40i, xDrive45e (electronic damper controlled air suspension), xDrive50i, M50i.

Only difference between the standard xLine electronic damper and 2VF Adaptive M Sport which included on M Sport packages is the software damping rates. The shocks, struts (air struts for 45e) passive roll bars on all identical across xLine and M Sport sDrive and xDrive 40i models.

If it's software only, can a regular suspension be coded as M Sport?

[Aimster82]

I have the m-sport package with air suspension. I do not think it does anything ... am I wrong? I always leave it on sport+ mode anyways.

I am going to end up buying my 19 5.0 when my lease is over. It's over in May. I can buy it for $58K , 99.5K MSRP. I was not planning to do this but the market sucks.

Also the m-sport cosmetics is a must... I think the X5 just looks ugly without it.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by mlurker

If it's software only, can a regular suspension be coded as M Sport?

as of 2013 on the M3 it worked. Don't get too caught up in sales jargon . The variable rates is probably barely noticeable as was the case in the M3 EDC shocks that had variable (on ZCP) and fixed rates (non-ZCP).

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by mlurker

If it's software only, can a regular suspension be coded as M Sport?

Nope and I don't recall anyone attempting to decipher the coding required or of interest.

What I can tell you from the reviewing the damping rates, it's not significant enough to make much of a difference. Standard is fixed and 2VF is variable.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by Aimster82

I have the m-sport package with air suspension. I do not think it does anything ... am I wrong? I always leave it on sport+ mode anyways.

If you're leaving it Sport+, you're going to notice the transmission and engine more than air suspension in sport mode.

Driving in Sport or Sport+ mode lowers the air suspension by 20mm / -0.787" or from 8.4" to 7.6" of ground clearance. X5 wire air suspension are equipped with Vibracoustic 3-chamber air suspension strut, ride height sensor and also VDP (vertical dynamics platform)

But you also have to understand that the premise of air suspension is maintaining a constant vehicle ride height while driving and with load. The inherent quality of air suspension is that it also provides a comfort ride. With BMWs current implementation of air suspension, it's never going to provide flat cornering response.

[Ashme]

Thanks everyone! Life is too short not to get the M package. $64k vs $70k. The heck with it. If I'm selling the GX460 because it's so boring to drive, why would I get an X5 without the M package?


And I think I know the answer, but for a daily driver, definitely get the G05 50i over a 2017/2018 X5M right? (F85?). They'd be roughly the same price so it's an option, but I feel like this is a much better option for a daily driver that will see 10k miles per year. Maybe 12k at most. When the warranty is up, I'll probably modify them a decent amount (at least tune, intake, exhaust, at least. Haven't dug into that much yet)

[Ashme]

Well, I did it. It's official. I wired the money Friday and signed the paperwork. Overnighting it back to them today and I'll hopefully be driving it in a week.

The only question is whether or not I should keep the GX. It's in incredible condition for a 10 year old car with 100k miles on it, and I seriously doubt there is anything more reliable for $27k. It will probably run another 200k miles with nothing but tires, brake pads and an annual oil change. Blackstone results analysis was great.
My office is 2 miles away, but about once a week I need to drive about 80 miles RT and once to twice a month I need to drive 200-300 miles RT for work. And the track is about 150 miles RT. I could save the GX for the longer hauls, but then I come back to the whole point of buying a nicer car- to drive it! Would be nice to have for driving/leaving it at the airport.

Only bad thing is, I'd have to keep insurance on it and fairly high liability due to umbrellas requirements. Probably $1500/year or so. At that rate, I may as well just rent a car for those long trips, though I've heard those rates are insane too.

[dynamic]

Originally Posted by Ashme

Well, I did it. It's official. I wired the money Friday and signed the paperwork. Overnighting it back to them today and I'll hopefully be driving it in a week.

The only question is whether or not I should keep the GX. It's in incredible condition for a 10 year old car with 100k miles on it, and I seriously doubt there is anything more reliable for $27k. It will probably run another 200k miles with nothing but tires, brake pads and an annual oil change. Blackstone results analysis was great.
My office is 2 miles away, but about once a week I need to drive about 80 miles RT and once to twice a month I need to drive 200-300 miles RT for work. And the track is about 150 miles RT. I could save the GX for the longer hauls, but then I come back to the whole point of buying a nicer car- to drive it! Would be nice to have for driving/leaving it at the airport.

Only bad thing is, I'd have to keep insurance on it and fairly high liability due to umbrellas requirements. Probably $1500/year or so. At that rate, I may as well just rent a car for those long trips, though I've heard those rates are insane too.

Yeah, 100,000 miles is nothing anymore. GM, Ford, Toyota stuff will go an easy 300,000 in most instances. There are Ford and GM service vehicles(taxis, 24 hour a day Police cruisers, etc.) that can hit a million miles.
100,000 miles is damn near a new vehicle for some guys, nothing wrong with that.

[Ashme]

Originally Posted by dynamic

Yeah, 100,000 miles is nothing anymore. GM, Ford, Toyota stuff will go an easy 300,000 in most instances. There are Ford and GM service vehicles(taxis, 24 hour a day Police cruisers, etc.) that can hit a million miles.
100,000 miles is damn near a new vehicle for some guys, nothing wrong with that.

I love GM vehicles- (I've had 3 Corvettes, 3 Camaros and a GTO, and I am on a waitlist for a Z06 edit: and a silverado). Yeah their engine is capable of 300k miles (trans prob won't) if it's well maintained, but a Lexus does it with ease. The other big thing is that a 200k mile Tahoe will be loose and rattle and look and feel like crap while a Lexus will feel like it's barely broken in. There's a reason that a 180k mile GX/4runner etc. will be worth a lot more than a 180k mile Tahoe.

It's shocking how well these things stay together. My previous GX had almost 180k miles I think. If you drove it, you wouldn't think anymore more than 40k- and that's not an exaggeration.

[dynamic]

Originally Posted by Ashme

I love GM vehicles- (I've had 3 Corvettes, 3 Camaros and a GTO, and I am on a waitlist for a Z06). Yeah their engine is capable of 300k miles (trans prob won't) if it's well maintained, but a Lexus does it with ease. The other big thing is that a 200k mile Tahoe will be loose and rattle and look and feel like crap while a Lexus will feel like it's barely broken in. There's a reason that a 180k mile GX/4runner etc. will be worth a lot more than a 180k mile Tahoe.

It's shocking how well these things stay together. My previous GX had almost 180k miles I think. If you drove it, you wouldn't think anymore more than 40k- and that's not an exaggeration.

Friend of mine has a Tahoe with 170,000 miles. It drives like new and rattle free. He rolled an Escalade to near that mark and it was smooth as silk. Toyota has absolutely no claim stake in the high mile arena.

[motex]

Originally Posted by Rondi

I have MSport in both my x3 and my new x6, and yes for me is a must.

I own a 2020 X5 G05 with S2VF M Adaptive Suspension, I got a question regarding if its safe to lift the car for example in a Quick-Jack, or on a 2 post lift?

I know some cars with air suspension that rises or lowers the car, could face issues when jacking it on 2 post lifts. But as far as I understand, the system my car has (S2VF Adaptive M Chasis) does not have any warnings regarding lifting

Any feedback will be appreciated before I pull the trigger on the Quick Jack

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by motex

I own a 2020 X5 G05 with S2VF M Adaptive Suspension, I got a question regarding if its safe to lift the car for example in a Quick-Jack, or on a 2 post lift?

I know some cars with air suspension that rises or lowers the car, could face issues when jacking it on 2 post lifts. But as far as I understand, the system my car has (S2VF Adaptive M Chasis) does not have any warnings regarding lifting

Any feedback will be appreciated before I pull the trigger on the Quick Jack

I can't speak to the jack but there would be no issues regarding the suspension.

[motex]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I can't speak to the jack but there would be no issues regarding the suspension.

Thank you, still not convinced on buying the QuickJack

[JillX5M]

Originally Posted by Ashme

50i?

I built one to this spec and it was 94k iirc.

I looked and called all over. The only ones cheaper than this had at least an accident on the carfax or some sketchy dealer with markups or something.

Used car market is crazy out there and it’s going to get worse.

I just got a brand new 2023 custom built X50i with M Sport package, executive package, parking assist package, wireless charger, and climate control in back seats for 70k. (Out the door 70k. That includes all taxes and fees)

[charlie fairmont]

Originally Posted by JillX5M

I just got a brand new 2023 custom built X50i with M Sport package, executive package, parking assist package, wireless charger, and climate control in back seats for 70k. (Out the door 70k. That includes all taxes and fees)

You're gonna have to post more of the details and backstory on that sweetheart of a deal.

[arRod1981]

Originally Posted by JillX5M

I just got a brand new 2023 custom built X50i with M Sport package, executive package, parking assist package, wireless charger, and climate control in back seats for 70k. (Out the door 70k. That includes all taxes and fees)

Are you talking about a 40i? Because there is an M50i, but there hasn't been a 50i in a while, and the M50i doesn't have an "M Sport Package".

[fr_tz]

Originally Posted by JillX5M

I just got a brand new 2023 custom built X50i with M Sport package, executive package, parking assist package, wireless charger, and climate control in back seats for 70k. (Out the door 70k. That includes all taxes and fees)

Impossible. You must be referring to a 40i MSport. An M50i with that configuration with a net selling price of 70K would be below cost.

[eelnoraa]

That sounds likes a $95-$100k car spec. To get out the door for $70k, selling price is like $63k. That is 30k off msrp or 30% off. Hmm sounds improbable or al least ver difficult to me too. If I was to get this kind of deal, I will least it because all I would be paying is interest, all depreciation is already absorbed by the selling price discount

[TurtleBoy]

I think the OP is in the UK. At least there is a Windermere there.

Edit: Never mind, going through his previous posts I see he is from Florida.

[JillX5M]

Originally Posted by charlie fairmont

You're gonna have to post more of the details and backstory on that sweetheart of a deal.

No real big story. Just an awesome dealer at BMW Cantonville in Maryland. I own a real estate company so I am a pro at negotiating. But yes - can’t believe I scored such a good deal!

[JillX5M]

Originally Posted by fr_tz

Impossible. You must be referring to a 40i MSport. An M50i with that configuration with a net selling price of 70K would be below cost.

Originally Posted by arRod1981

Are you talking about a 40i? Because there is an M50i, but there hasn't been a 50i in a while, and the M50i doesn't have an "M Sport Package".

Yes. 40i. Sorry. Still an amazing deal with a 10k discount!

[JillX5M]

Yes. 40i. Sorry. Still an amazing deal with a 10k discount!