[db2761]

Thanks for all the input. I appreciate the time given to respond to my post..

Regardless of which side of the line you find yourself, there is no denying we are all on the same playground. <-- doesn't suggest we should behave like a bunch of 5th graders.

I'll deffinately get a boost gage thanks for the suggestion..

[Garissimo]

Originally Posted by AltecBX

I don't think his intention is to downplay the tune, he clearly is researching the forums on the warranty Dinan covers you in case if anything goes wrong afterwards. And most customers and potential Dinan customers go that route because of the warranty piece of mind.

He's pretty much trashing the tune, saying Dinan is a fraud, and spamming this thread with every negative Dinan link he can find. IOW, he's acting like troll and should be treated like one. His claim is that he is just retaliating because Sparkplug referred to him as a "gnat". He probably needs a time out, but that's for the mods to decide.

Anyways, for the OP, here's a pretty decent review C/D did on the Dinan stage 3 reflash and suspension package on a 335i. Dinan claims 408 crank hp for this tune, and if you compare the 1/4 mile trap speed and the 0-150mph acceleration times to a stock M3 with 414hp, they are very comparable:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...specialty_file

Also, note that the wheels on that test car are $6K alone and I'm not making the claim that it's a great value. It's basically a rolling showcase for all Dinan's 335i packages.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

+1 I'm giving myself a hand shake, a fist bump, a blow up and a +1 because I can. Oh yeah, and I also have $2000 extra in my wallet that you don't. But hey, that really isn't just opinion now is it? I guess I'm wasting my time, since all you dinan folks are too mature to reply to this anyway

$2000 extra would be comparing no tune to the Dinan Stage 2.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

$2000 extra would be comparing no tune to the Dinan Stage 2.

Like you mentioned, we're letting this go. I'm not continuing the argument, but when I made that post, I was referring to the end result. I had a tune with resale value. That was the only point I was trying to make and am no longer trying to make any more points.

[fruition3000]

People always complain that something is overpriced and its those same people who never had it. I love when people say BMW's are a waste of money and that they should buy a Japanese car instead, like a hyundai sonata because its a comparable car. When asked they say they have never driven a BMW before.

You guys figure it out for yourselves.

These times are equivalent to a JB3 at Map 5 or Map 7.
Dinan Max PSI = 13
JB3 \ Procede Max PSI = 20
So you tell me who's engineer's are more efficient.

Originally Posted by Jjse90

1. E90/steptronic
2. Sea level/56*/63%humidity
3. Dinan stage 2/drop in k&n
4. It had between 1/2 to 3/4 of 93 octane maybe shouldn't of filled up two days prior.
5. No had everything in even had my kids car seat still in the back seat. (and no my kid did not ride along)lol.
6. Sumitomo HTR ZIII stock tire size/Stock 18" wheels
7. One year with this car, but many years at the track racing.
8. 12.805 @ 109.38mph 1/4 mile 8.252 @ 85.92mph 1/8 mile with a 1.845 60'.


http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-20401.html

VS JB3

Originally Posted by hotrod182

So I decided to convert the sedan from JB+ to JB3 and do testing along the way.

This is on my 08 335i Steptronic Sedan with only 5500 miles on it
91 Octane Pump Gas, absolutely bone stock besides 19" M6 Replicas/Generals. 34 psi, 2nd gear soft launches with absolutely no warm up burnouts.

Hopefully by testing on a totally different car, I can see if it responds similarly to the way my coupe did.

With JB+ 50F ambient temps

13.0 at 110.1 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 4.6 sec 0-100: 10.8 sec
13.0 at 110.3 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 4.6 sec 0-100: 10.8 sec 60-130:14.8sec

Stock: 55F (you can see the numbers are right on spec for a 335i)
(1st gear launches)
13.5 at 105.2 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 5.0 sec 0-100 12.3 sec
13.4 at 105.7 mph 2.0 60' 0-60 4.9 sec 0-100 12.1 sec

JB3: Map #5 50F ambient temps. All else the same. 4/16 Firmware.
(2nd gear launches to control wheel spin)
12.9 at 112.2 mph 2.2 60' 0-60 4.4 sec 0-100 10.4 sec
12.8 at 112.4 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 4.4 sec 0-100 10.2 sec

JB3: Map #7 52F ambient temps. All else the same
(2nd gear launches)
12.8 at 112.7 mph 2.2 60' 0-60 4.3 sec 0-100: 10.2 sec
12.7 at 113.2 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 4.2 sec 0-100: 10.0 sec 60-130 12.9 sec
12.8 at 113.0 mph 2.2 60' 0-60 4.4 sec 0-100: 10.2 sec

Edit 5/02/2010: JB3 Map #7 47F ambient temps. DCI installed. All else the same(2nd gear launches). As you can see, the tune is absolutely consistant when run under the same conditions. ETs and 0-60 times all within .10 second!
12.8 at 113.2 mph 2.2 60' 0-60 4.4 sec 0-100: 10.2 sec 60-130 12.9 sec
12.8 at 113.6 mph 2.2 60' 0-60 4.3 sec 0-100: 10.1 sec 60-130 13.1 sec
12.7 at 113.6 mph 2.2 60' 0-60 4.3 sec 0-100: 10.0 sec
12.7 at 113.1 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 4.3 sec 0-100: 10.1 sec 60-130 13.0 sec
12.7 at 113.2 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 4.3 sec 0-100: 10.1

Edit 5/08/2010. Same as above, 50F temps to confirm above test results:
12.7 at 113.5 mph 2.1 60' 0-60 4.3 sec 0-100 9.9 sec 60-130 12.9 sec
12.7 at 113.6 mph 2.2 60' 0-60 4.3 sec 0-100 10.0 sec

Edit 5/10/2010 Same as above. 47F ambient temps. ~93-94 octane
12.6 @ 114.6 mph 2.2 60' 0-60: 4.4 sec 0-100:9.9 sec 60-130:12.6 sec
12.6 @ 114.6 mph 2.1 60' 0-60: 4.2 sec 0-100:9.7 sec 60-130:12.7 sec

Edit 5/22/2010 Same as above. 50F ambient temps and 100 octane unleaded
Map #7
12.5 at 116.5 mph 60ft:2.1 sec 0-60:4.1 sec, 0-100:9.4 sec, 60-130:11.8sec
12.5 at 116.7 mph 60ft:2.2 sec 0-60:4.1 sec, 0-100:9.4 sec, 60-130:11.8 sec

Map#8
12.3 at 117.6 mph 60ft:2.1 sec 0-60:4.0 sec, 0-100:9.2 sec, 60-130:11.4 sec
12.4 at 117.6 mph 60ft:2.1 sec 0-60:4.1 sec, 0-100:9.3 sec, 60-130:11.3 sec

Map#9
12.4 at 117.8 mph 60ft:2.2 sec 0-60:4.0 sec, 0-100:9.1 sec, 60-130:11.4 sec
12.3 at 118.0 mph 60ft:2.1 sec 0-60:4.0 sec, 0-100:9.1 sec, 60-130:11.3 sec





Here are the vbox screen shots of the runs (traps) of the 4 different scenarios. JB+/Stock/JB3 Map 5/ Map #6

Going from 105.7 to 113.2 mph is an incredible 7.5mph or about 70HP with nothing more than the tune!

With traction, and a decent 1.9 60' time, you are looking at 12.2-12.3 sec 1/4 ET.
Remember, this is just tune on 91 pump gas. Full weight, didn't even empty the trunk or belongings in the rear seat area.

Vbox is really great at picking up the performance increases. I would have needed to make 7 dyno pulls this morning to gather this data otherwise. Similar conditions, and almost exact same temps. JB+ testing was done last weekend. JB3 testing and stock map testing done this morning.

[fruition3000]

Here are my times and this was the first time ever having a track worthy car and first time ever being at a track. Now that I think about it im pretty sure 12.8 is an attainable goal if I continue to use 93 octane only.

Originally Posted by fruition3000

1) 335i Coupe \ Auto
2) N/A
3) Dinan S2
4) 93 Octane 3/4 Tank
5) No Weight reduction
4) Stock RIMS
5) I only had auto cars

1. 13.154
2. 13.128
3. 13.010


My first day ever being at a track. I think I could pull off a 12.9 for two reasons. It was so windy that the other drag cars doing under 10 secs were only allowed to run 1/8 of a mile. Also I can't figure out a really good way to launch the car. I Brake Boosted in 2nd gear everytime but it felt like the car went into 1st gear and then back into 2nd. Kinda weird

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[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by fruition3000

People always complain that something is overpriced and its those same people who never had it. I love when people say BMW's are a waste of money and that they should buy a Japanese car instead, like a hyundai sonata because its a comparable car. When asked they say they have never driven a BMW before.

You guys figure it out for yourselves.

These times are equivalent to a JB3 at Map 5 or Map 7.
Dinan Max PSI = 13
JB3 \ Procede Max PSI = 20
So you tell me who's engineer's are more efficient.



VS JB3

Thanks for the post. 12.9 isn't bad and seems comparable to Map5.

[DefBringer]

I wonder if the JB people realize that a BT Tool cannot clear all dealer codes and that some JB3 users have had their warranties denied?

Shiv himself confirmed that there are some things about code-clearing that Terry doesn't know about. The Procede seems to be safer in the method it uses to keep tuner codes undetected.

I think it's a fool's game to say that 60 hp is worth having a warranty thrown away on a $20k engine. Seeing all these Juicebox owners coming and talking trash on the Dinan tune is amusing.

Note: I don't own any of these tunes.