Ilyam5 wrote

Better question is - will they switch it in August to 2020 model year with new tech? Or will they leave m cars behind ?

ynguldyn wrote

I can now confirm Live Dash will be added to X3M/X4M starting April 2020 production.

Barathon wrote

Have you seen the number of X3Ms/X4Ms produced increase to the level you would expect for a new release yet?

Simon04090 wrote

So in April 2020 we will see the X3M/X4M updated to the tech, the normal X3/X4 get in August 2019 as MY2020 plus maybe some M-specific things, or will they get the MY2021 tech already, that the normal ones will probably only get in August 2020? Probably won't be updated in April and August, right? Any information available on what will be new apart from LiveDash/ID7? Also when will we be able to order them?

ynguldyn wrote

US X5 xDrive45e has been delayed until 2020.

Arben72 wrote

I'm surprised that they decided to use almost the same engine for the new x5m/x6m. Sad that bmw m can't make a new engine for every new body style anymore. Also by auto, does that mean dct or just a regular automatic or both? It seems like both but just want to be 100 percent.

SleepingBMW wrote

They can, corporate can sell M cars without it though so they do it to save money. Lame, but I like the current motors quite well regardless. The ttV8 in particular is nice, bar overheating issues

ynguldyn wrote

So, I have a request for whoever has connections in the Supra circles. Please tell those guys that all that BS by Toyota engineers about 335hp being just the right amount of power for the car was just that - BS. The 385hp version (matching the US Z4 M40i) is coming. It will be sold in the U.S. and the countries not subject to Euro emissions regulations: Korea, Japan, Russia, Gulf states.

ynguldyn wrote

So, I have a request for whoever has connections in the Supra circles. Please tell those guys that all that BS by Toyota engineers about 335hp being just the right amount of power for the car was just that - BS. The 385hp version (matching the US Z4 M40i) is coming. It will be sold in the U.S. and the countries not subject to Euro emissions regulations: Korea, Japan, Russia, Gulf states.

IllSic_Design wrote

Posted your quote over on the supramkv forums.

Edit: Also, we have known this was coming, the question is when? Do you have an estimate?

ynguldyn wrote

Months, not years. The First Edition will be good to show off but not to own for actual performance driving. Unless you're in Europe where the same restrictions as seen with Z4 M40i will still apply.

IllSic_Design wrote

Thanks for the info. All the Supra guys think it will be years, so if it is indeed month then that makes things very interesting.

ynguldyn wrote

- Later this year, G30 will receive new engines (TÜ versions of the existing lineup). For the U.S. market models, only M550i will get a sizeable improvement to 530hp with all other models simply getting some incremental optimization. However, in the rest of the world, something new is coming in 520d. It will be a new energy conserving tech. Whether it is the 48V system or something more than that I just can't say.
- At the same time, Live Dash will be added as an option on lower end models and standard on others.
- In 2020, G30 LCI will be released. At that point all significant new technology will be already installed on the pre-LCI G30 models so the LCI is going to be almost entirely cosmetical. The only new additions I see are the spread of the same energy conserving tech to other models (by then, G30 won't be unique at that) and Driving Assistant Pro (the functionality first released on G05 X5) - for some reason G30 seems to be last in the line of models getting that option.
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supra93 wrote

I recall this topic being posted on Jalopnik late last year.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyota-supra-will-come-in-base-and-track-form.1787/

frankchn wrote

Thanks for the information. Can I assume that the F90 will get whatever the rest of the G30 line-up gets, which means the M8-style Live Dash and iDrive 7 later this year as MY2020?

Do you know if the brake adjustment in the M8 will trickle down to the F90 at LCI, or are we waiting until the G60-based M5 for that?

ynguldyn wrote

I truly believe (translation: I'm speculating here, not reporting facts) this whole mess was caused by WLTP. If not for that, all Z4 M40i's would've had B58O1 so that all M Performance 3/4 series cars (as of right now, X3 M40i, M340i, and Z4 M40i)

would have had the same power in all world markets. Something (mostly likely packaging) prevented BMW engineers from installing the same emissions hardware in Z4 as they could in M340i. That resulted in the European Z4 M40i that got its wings kinda clipped with B58M1. Naturally the same had to happen to the Supra (because it's a freaking BMW, people! enough with that "Tada-san this, Tada-san that" kool-aid, OK?) for the WLTP markets, and Toyota just went with this for all other markets, probably for simplicity and cost savings.

And then they had a change of heart - very recently. From what I can see, this likely happened in 2018, no earlier than that, so it could well be in response to the early feedback when the 335hp figure leaked and everyone and their mother started talking about it being a ridiculously low number for a Supra.

ynguldyn wrote

Yeah, this jives really well with what I see. Toyota is likely planning to sell the two versions alongside each other, and they'll need to give the higher powered version some distinguishing label. "Track" would work for the purpose.

I truly believe (translation: I'm speculating here, not reporting facts) this whole mess was caused by WLTP. If not for that, all Z4 M40i's would've had B58O1 so that all M Performance 3/4 series cars (as of right now, X3 M40i, M340i, and Z4 M40i) would have had the same power in all world markets. Something (mostly likely packaging) prevented BMW engineers from installing the same emissions hardware in Z4 as they could in M340i. That resulted in the European Z4 M40i that got its wings kinda clipped with B58M1. Naturally the same had to happen to the Supra (because it's a freaking BMW, people! enough with that "Tada-san this, Tada-san that" kool-aid, OK?) for the WLTP markets, and Toyota just went with this for all other markets, probably for simplicity and cost savings. And then they had a change of heart - very recently. From what I can see, this likely happened in 2018, no earlier than that, so it could well be in response to the early feedback when the 335hp figure leaked and everyone and their mother started talking about it being a ridiculously low number for a Supra.

And while we're on the subject - how did you guys at suprakmv arrive at the idea that the difference between B58M1 and B58O1 is just the manifold? You never had to deal with BMW engineering solutions, have you? Observe:

https://bimmercat.com/bmw/EN/search/selectCar/G29/Roa/BMW+Z4+M40i+B58D/ECE/11_7972
https://bimmercat.com/bmw/EN/search/selectCar/G29/Roa/BMW+Z4+M40i+B58C/ECE/11_7809

Yeah, the engine blocks are different. And then the cylinder heads and the pistons are different, and the turbochargers are not even close. And that's only the obvious things I bothered to compare.

So sure you can mod the M1 to get it to O1's output and beyond. But that will never get you an OEM equivalent.

mkoesel wrote

But, if your speculation above is true, WLTP nations would still be SOL